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Resolved: "Salsa" was originally a cheap substitute for ketchup when during World War II the government limited industrial tomato usage. Now, poseur condiment that it is, Salsa and its devious allies pretend to have a righteous place on our dinner table.
Trickery! Trickery!
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Blasphemer! Salsa stands head and shoulders above other condiments. The Irish and Polish have nothing to offer in its stead. Trust me, I've been there.
it's a bit of apples and oranges to compare it with ketchup and mustard. there's nothing like a good, coarse-ground mustard, but i wouldn't put it on a tortilla.
And here I had such great respect for you...
"I just read that sushi was originally food for street laborors who weren't worth the expense of cooking the little bit of fish tucked into their sticky rice."
I never knew I was a member of the Japanese proletariat. I love sushi. The workers have nothing to lose but their sushi. They have more sushi to win. Pho, too. Workers of the world, eat up!
Shoemaker???
Bill
Salsa can beat up ketchup with one hand tied behind its back.
The simple-minded among us can be taken up with simple topics. I plead guilty.
triticale:
"I just read that sushi was originally food for street laborors who weren't worth the expense of cooking the little bit of fish tucked into their sticky rice."
Kind of OT, but that's almost 180 degrees opposite of the usual story you hear, which is that fish was layered on vinegared rice to ferment and thus preserve it quickly; afterward, the fish was eaten and the rice thrown away. Actual raw fish was supposedly first used by some chef who didn't have enough properly fermented fish for his diners and improvised. A few hundred years later, and you get Nobu. One occasionally reads that sushi is originally Chinese, not Japanese, because the fish preservation method originated in China. I'm sure the Koreans have claimed to have invented it at some point, too.
As far as the original point of debate goes, I'm sure this is my Mid-Atlantic jingoism showing, but what would people be serving salsa for on the dinner table?
Bill, yep us simple minded folk need a break from serious issues.
That's interesting about WWII, and the tomato usage.
One of the many Seinfeld bits that people keep endlessly repeating to me (and honestly, as much as I hate the show, people who quote from it are nearly as annoying) has Jerry and George debating the sudden appearance of salsa everywhere. Now it's entirely possible that Dean made his comments completely unaware of the Seinfeld bit; but still, he set off my anti-Seinfeld reaction. Ugh. And I usually expect Dean to be much more clever and inventive than Seinfeld.