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US Citizen Test

You Passed the US Citizenship Test
Congratulations - you got 10 out of 10 correct!
Could You Pass the US Citizenship Test?

I must admit I panicked briefly over two questions, but with some thought got them right.

One of them I remembered specifically from a lovely song from my youth:

In 1787 I'm told our founding fathers did agree
To write a list of principles for keepin' people free
The U.S.A. was just startin' out, a whole brand-new country
And so our people spelled it out: the things that we should be!

50 points for anyone who can recite the next stanza.

500 if you can name the lady who wrote it.

By the way, I picked up this test from Dennis at Eric's blog, who might also enjoy this somewhat more lengthy list of questions given by U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services.

Frankly I think someone ought to score at least 70% on such tests in order to be allowed to vote...

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Scott Harris (mail) (www):
That was a pretty easy test.
11.4.2005 12:32am
Dean Esmay:
I know.
11.4.2005 1:20am
MaryJ:
I got a little scared at first on a couple as well. It was easy when I simply read it through.

Man, I can't sleep tonight so quite naturally I told meself to go to Michigan and see Dean. I am looking forward to *beam me up, Scotty* Sorry, off topic. ;-)
11.4.2005 1:51am
Sean Kinsell (mail) (www):
I hesitated over the Commander-in-Chief question--not because I was really uncertain but because it seemed that if the obvious answer were true there'd be no point in asking it.

(And I think Eric's buddy Dennis actually posted that at Classical Values, guy.)
11.4.2005 2:00am
Dean Esmay:
Whoops, right you are, duly noted.
11.4.2005 3:33am
Jeffrey Boser (mail):
Dean, so you don't think the illiterate, the disabled, etc, deserve representation?

I'm of the flip side, there should be a small fine for NOT voting, if you are a citizen and legal adult, which I think should be the only requirement for voting. (though I would even go so far to allow even children who expressed the desire to vote, the right.)

No taxation without representation. If you pay taxes, you should not be denied the right to vote.
11.4.2005 4:30am
Dean Esmay:
"No taxation without representation" is a pretty strong argument, no doubt about it. But I think we are no longer in the days when a tyrannical King rules us without giving us basic civil rights, nor are we in a time where people are routinely denied access to the tools of basic literacy.

The only disabled people who should be denied a vote in my view are those who are clearly too disabled to know what they're doing. There are in every election season in the U.S. scandalous cases of people ordering absentee ballots for people who are more or less vegetables just so they can stuff the ballot boxes in their name--it's an even more morbid and disgusting practice than the instances of the dead voting.

A test which anyone with an IQ of 80 or so could pass with reasonable study seems sufficient to me.

The flip side of "taxation without representation" is that I don't want to be represented by people who were put in power by those who were bribed or coerced into voting and who care so little about their country that they cannot answer such basic questions as who their current congressman is or what the difference is between the House and the Senate.

As for penalizing people for not voting: this seems a bit of a civil rights abrogation to me. If I don't want to vote, you have no place coercing me to do so. Freedom includes the freedom not to participate doesn't it?
11.4.2005 5:43am
Rhianna (aka rmschoon) (mail) (www):
And they put those principles down on paper and called it the Constitution, and it's been helping us run our country ever since. The first part of the Constintution is called the Preamble, and tells what those founding fathers set out to do.

The lady who created both the lyrics, AND the music is one Lynn Ahrens.


So, where are we keepin' score?

Oh, for the record, my kids watch School House Rock on a regular (atleast 3 times a week) basis. But it's nice to know I'm not the only 'Gen Xer' that remembers those songs. ;)
11.4.2005 6:43am
Dean Esmay:
Right on.

Lynn Ahrens was given very short shrift on the Schoolhouse Rock DVDs. I mean, all her stuff is there, but she has no interviews, no interviews about her, etc., yet to my mind she was every bit as important and talented as Bob Dorough (the guy who did "Three Is A Magic Number" and so many of the other great songs from that series).
11.4.2005 7:16am
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
Whew! 10/10
That "original 13" question threw me but I guessed right.
What's the deal with Vermont anyway? Were they part of New Hampshire or were they an independent neo-libertarian thinktank/commune that exported maple syrup and imported hockey?
11.4.2005 10:04am
Linda Peters (mail):
I wonder how other non-Americans did -- 9/10 for me (Canadian).
11.4.2005 12:00pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I got 10 out of 10 on the short quiz at Classical Values. I took the longer test and got everything right except the name of the form I'd have to fill out to apply for naturalization. I guess I'm a good native American but I wouldn't be as good an immigrant. All of those questions but that one were just Peikoff-obvious to me.

I agree with Dean about restricting the vote to the Constitutionally literate. Funny, because Dean is usually the democrat and populist while I'm the anti-democrat and elitist. I'm absolutely against making voting compulsory. It's a violation of my freedom not to vote if I don't want to, which is just as much a right as the right to vote for one candidate over another. We're getting to the point where everything that's not forbidden is compulsory. I'm against that. Government should leave people alone.

I'm also against "get out the vote" drives. It means stuffing the voting booths with people who don't know and couldn't care less. I also think lowering the voting age to 18 was a big mistake. It should have been raised instead.
11.4.2005 1:00pm
Dean Esmay:
Steven: I am a populist in the sense that I believe that the vast majority of the voting public has more common sense and basic decency than elites on either the right or left are generally willing to grant them. That said, I see nothing wrong with encouraging the notion that voting is a duty and not just a right, and that duties entail responsibilities, not the least of which is understanding our basic system of government and what the issues of the day are.

Scott: My reading of history is that at one time Massachussetts, New York, New Hampshire, and Connecticut all at one time claimed parts of Vermont, with much squabbling over it. They were the 14th state admitted to the union, apparently in part because they were something of a backwater--although some very important battles in the Revolutionary War were fought there.
11.4.2005 3:08pm
Laura (www):
A quite easy test. I hesitated a bit on the C-in-C question, since I thought maybe it was a trick question (perhaps that specific title wasn't introduced until after the civil war, say).

And while, in theory, I have no problem with requiring a certain level of literacy and awareness of the structure of American government in order to vote, in practice, such tests could be, and would be (and were, when they existed), tweaked in such a way as to acheive certain political ends. The test would have to be subject to the political process, and I have no doubt that whichever party was in power at any given time (Dem, Rep, or other) would modify the test in order to maintain or extend their political advantage. It's very much like the current reapprotionment process (in which state legislators choose which voters will have a chance to vote for or against these very same legislators in the nexxt election), which has become basically 100% corrupt.
11.4.2005 3:48pm
Dean Esmay:
While historically I think some of the literacy tests were perfectly legitimate, and they got a bad odor due to the way they were used manipulatively in other cases, I can't out-argue Laura's point when she says, "he test would have to be subject to the political process, and I have no doubt that whichever party was in power at any given time (Dem, Rep, or other) would modify the test in order to maintain or extend their political advantage."

Yep. And yes, it is very much like the current reapportionment process. The fact that we routinely simply call it "the gerrymandering process" speaks volumes--that used to be a dirty word.
11.4.2005 7:55pm