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Overcrowded Planet?

Recently, over at Big Arm Woman's blog, there was discussion of people who trash others for having "too many kids." I agreed with them that the trashing was vulgar. It's also irrational. It reminded me of an essay I wrote a year or so ago. I've been meaning to re-post it since the formatting got messsed up on the original so here it is again:

Overcrowded Planet?

Our friend Dowingba has been after me for some time to do this. So here's a present for him.

Below is the map of a beautiful country named Canada. I'd like you to take particular note of one of its many fine provinces: Alberta. It's in dark green, with the famed Castle wilderness preserve marked with a star:

North America and Alberta

Now. Let's ignore Alberta for a little bit and let me point some things out to you about crowded living conditions among humans.

The City of Chicago--a beautiful city full of rivers, ponds, lakefront property, huge parks, zoos, sporting arenas, universities--houses 2,886,251 residents, at least according to 2002 figures. This is not counting the hundreds of thousands of people who commute in and out of the city every day. Let's round it off and say that on any given day, as many as 3 million people may be in that fine, beautiful city. The city encompasses 234 square miles. (All figures cited from Wikipedia.)

Doing a little simple math (3 million divided by 234) and you can determine for yourself that Chicago boasts a population density of (drum roll please):

About 12,821 people per square mile.

This in an area which, as I've said, includes parks, rivers, ponds, sporting arenas, shipyards, museums, libraries, tree-lined neighborhoods, and world-class universities. Also stock yards, train depots, factories, airports, amusement parks, hotels, and shopping centers. There's even a working farm within the city limits, at an agricultural college.

Mind you, it's not America's most crowded city, let alone the world's. Far from it. As far as major cities around the world go, it's only average.

The City of Tokyo, one of the world's most populace cities, has a population of 12.275 million people, and takes up only 0.6% (barely 1 half of one percent) of Japan's total land space. This enormous city covers about 844 square miles. That gives it a population density of 14,544 people per square mile. All jammed in to barely one half of one percent of Japan's total land space--and also including parks, ponds, zoos, universities, museums, sporting arenas, and so on.

The city of New York, New York has a population of 8 million, spread out over 320 square miles. Giving it a population density of about 25,000 people per square mile, distributed among its many parks, museums, sports arenas, universities, and so on.

The city of Paris, France, universally hailed as one of the most beautiful on the planet, encompasses a shockingly tiny 41 square miles (105 square kilometers). It houses over two million people in that area, giving it a population density of (dig this) 48,780 people per square mile, marking it as quite possibly the most crowded city on the planet.

Here's a quick look at some other world cities:

London: 11,475 people per square mile

Rio de Janeiro: 16,495 people per square mile.

Moscow: 29,016 people per square mile.

Seoul: 42,194 people per square mile.

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to look up what other beautiful, highly livable cities like Vancouver, Seattle, Mexico City, and so on look like.

Now, the United States encompasses about 3,717,142 square miles. The world population is currently estimated at well over 6 billion and is projected to reach 7 billion in 2010. Depending on whose estimates you believe, the total world population will either peak around 2050 and then begin to decline or, according to more aggressive estimates, may go as high as 11 billion some time after the year 2100. This is depending on whether you believe people around the world will continue to grow wealthier and more prosperous, which they have been throughout most of the world (except in totalitarian regimes) for the last 100 years, because a documented fact is that the more prosperous and healthy people become, the fewer children they tend to have.

Okay, so current estimates have the world population hitting 7 billion in about 5 years. Let's go with that figure. And like I just said above, the current land space in the United States is 3,717,142 square miles (a bit over 9,600,000 square kilometers). This means that if you took the entire world population in 2010 and forcibly relocated every man, woman and child to the United States, we would have a population density in this country of (drum roll, please):

1,883 people per square mile.

This would be about twice the population density of Mt. Horeb, Wisconsin (813 people per square mile), or about two thirds of the population density of New Albin, Iowa (2,635 people per square mile).

In other words, it would be about average for a small rural farming community.

Now, remember where we started this little journey? Oh yes: Alberta. The Canadian province of Alberta, that great nation's 4th largest province, encompasses approximately 260,000 square miles.

Which means that if you took the entire world population in 2010 and forcibly relocated every single one of them to Alberta (we plan to make everyone Canadian, eh!), Alberta would have a population density of 26,923 people per square mile.

In other words, roughly the population density of New York City or Moscow, and considerably less crowded than cities like Paris, the famed City of Lights.

Which means that we could comfortably squeeze the entire world population in 2010 into this massive red area:

Alberta

The rest is for whatever else we want: growing food, wilderness conservation, and so on.

As an exercise for the reader, I invite you to calculate what it would look like if we jammed everybody into Ontario or Quebec instead.

Here's the truth: Penn & Teller like to say "everybody got a gris-gris," by which they mean, almost everybody has something they are absolutely positive must be true even though it simply is not. This is one that practically everyone has: fear of overpopulation.

* Update 2005 * I'd like to add a few further observations, to meet common objections.

First off, what about all those poor areas that are so horribly overcrowded in the third world? I invite you to look carefully: in any country that is generally free and features a generally democratic government (say, as ranked by Freedom House as a 4,4 or better), no matter how poor that country is, you will find that the areas within it with the greatest population density are the ones with the highest standards of living and best incomes. No? You don't think so? Find me the exception.

Another challenge: of nations ranked at least partly-free (again, using the Freedom House data set), find me a single one that ever experienced a famine while it was ranked as at least partly-free. You can't do it. Know why? Because it's never happened. As in, never. "Close" does not count. Neither do cases of "malnutrition," which can be anything from vitamin or mineral deficiency to overconsumption of calories causing obesity. "Famine" means the real thing: throngs of emaciated, withering away people, bodies rotting in the streets wasted away from hunger. Free societies do not experience this, ever.

You may also complain about traffic jams and such, which may fool you into believing that in "overpopulation." But consider that logic: it's like saying that if the jellybean jar on your desk is overflowing, the jellybean manufacturers of the world have overproduced. If you regularly experience traffic jams, that is overcrowding in one area--or, much more likely, poor urban planning and insufficient mass transit.

Besides, most people are rational: why would they commute every day to those highly populated areas? Because that's where the most money's to be made, that's why.

Why do people move to the suburbs by the way? Except in cases where a poorly-governed city (like, say, Detroit) has turned schools to garbage, the main reason most people move to the suburbs is because you can buy more more housing for less money. The tradeoff is extended commutes.

Except for poorly-governed ones, the cities are more expensive to live in. Why? Why would it be more expensive to live in a horribly overcrowded hellhole that no one wants to be in? Answer: it wouldn't be. People who opt to live inside the nice neighborhoods in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Boston, and so on pay exhorbitant rent or huge mortgages, often for surprisingly small places, because they're very nice and very convenient places to live.

Indeed, just look at New York City: the single most crowded part of that burgeoning metropolis is Manhattan, which is absolutely jammed full of people. It's also one of the most expensive places on Planet Earth to live. Take a look, for example, at this cozy little 4-room, 700 square foot duplex condominium with such lush amenities as a washer/dryer, air conditioner, and private balcony. Perfect for the young single or the retired grandma who just needs a little place.

Look at the price tag. Only $895,000.00. Ya think the schools are any good there?

But what about the bad neighborhoods in the cities? You'll usually find that they're the ones with the abandoned buildings, the gutted out stores, poor police protection, and schools being closed because of declining enrollment. In other words, they're areas people tend to leave if they can.

When people move to major population centers, their incomes tend to go up and their tendency to have kids goes down. Once the average income passes a certain point--and it doesn't have to be a lot--very few people choose to have more than one or two kids, and many choose to have none. Indeed, were it not for immigration, the United States would have shrunk dramatically in population over the last 50 years. The occasional family of 6 or 8 or even 10 or more notwithstanding, few people opt for more than a couple of kids. Which means we can easily bear families that choose to have more.

Check the census bureau if you don't believe it: by the best estimates available, the world population will begin to shrink by 2100 at the latest, peaking out at no more than 11 billion or so. Most estimates show the peak at closer to 7 or 8 billion people by 2050, with a worldwide decline beginning after that.

The world isn't overpopulated. We aren't in any danger of overpopulation. In a free society, more people means more resources, more opportunities, and better standards of living. Those are not mushy feel-good sentiments, those are facts.

But here's the funny thing: if you tell most people all that, they won't believe you. Indeed, some even get angry about it.

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Aziz (mail) (www):
it's a good argument overall - in fact, similar arguments are used to justify building arcologies, such as the proposed Sky City or the X-Seed 4000. Super skyscrapers like the Taipei 101 are not surprisingly most prevalent in teh far technoEast, though there is a mile-high project quite close to being greenlighted in Chicago.

However, one thing that these arguments do is underestimate the amount of land required to support a population. It is not true that to feed 1000 people, you need X acres, regardless of whether those 1000 people live on 100 acres, or 10,000 acres. The denser the population, the higher the infrastructure required to support the density. New York City's support-infrastructure footprint is vastly larger than the state of North Carolina even though both have about 8 million in population - New York couldn't exist without resources drawn in from essentially the entire region. The footprint is not just food growing, but also includes things like electricity, water, fuel, economic investment, entrepeneurship, foreign markets, skilled workers, professional classes, labor classes, intellectual capital, and of course mountains of cash.

Compressing the whole of human population into Alberta sounds great on paper - but the footprint would grow exponentially to make it possible. I mean, heres just some examples of the logistical nightmares: how are you going to get teh trash out from each house and into the dump? what if a water main breaks? what happens if someone gets the flu?

I agree that we are not overcrowded, generally speaking, but its equally wrong to suggest that human population levels in certain patrs of teh world are indeed unsustainable. Not that we will literally run out of food (though we CAN literally run out of water!). But that the basic standard of living degrades very quickly - and this is true on a broader societal level as well. India is severely burdened by its population in ways that China is not - because India is much more dense. These population pressures manifest in as diverse ways as endemic corruption in government, massive educational industry fraud, and sectarian violence that threatens the democratic order. China has these problems too but India is overall worse (aside from eth democracy part). Anytime you put a lot of people close together you get all these competitive efects on resources - intellectual, material, all types - and that is a severe drain on society's fabric.

Ultimately, spreading out is good for the human psych, and technology provides solutions to resource limitations. And liberty provides solutions to human limitations. But lets not try to claim that there is zero problem whatsoever with population loads.

(and I didnt even mention heat profiles!)
10.21.2005 11:51am
jody (mail) (www):
(and I didnt even mention heat profiles!)

But that's the genius of putting everyone in Alberta!
10.21.2005 12:28pm
jaymaster (mail):
It seems that the higher the population density, the more likely the population will embrace socialistic schemes.

It also makes the entire population much easier to wipe out with a single nuke. Or actually, more vulnerable to any kind of warfare.

I’m not saying that either is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing. Just saying....
10.21.2005 12:46pm
Robert B.:
I believe Alberta has nice wildlife, including the majestic møøse. A Møøse once bit my sister ... No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush ...
10.21.2005 12:48pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I'm against people who trash others for having "too many" children. I'm also against people who trash others for having "too few" children or none at all. Let the people who like children have as many as they want. Let the people who don't like children not have any*. It'll all even out if people just mind their own business.

*I'm talking about contraception, not abortion.
10.21.2005 1:11pm
Steven Den Beste (mail) (www):
But doncha know, every time an American is born, Mama Gaia cries!
10.21.2005 1:23pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
While I agree overpopulation is over-hyped as a problem, the world as a whole will be better off if it shoots for a birth rate right around the replacement rate (not below, as Western Europe has been flirting with recently). Isaac Asimov once noted that if population growth rates from the early seventies (about 2% worldwide) continued unabated over the centuries, the combined mass of the human population would be equivalent to that of the entire Earth in about 3600 A.D. Clearly, at some point things are going to have to stabilize--but I'm not anxious about it. Plenty of time to adjust and slow overall growth to a crawl.
10.21.2005 1:46pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
6 billion people in Canada. That's what, 1 billion hockey teams? Have you considered how many rinks that would require? And what about their names? They would all have to be named "The Alberta ____" where "____" would have to be a unique name.

Then there's the problem with playoffs. Just how in the world are you going to have a progressive playoff series with a billion teams? It would take 500 years just for the first round.
10.21.2005 1:51pm
Casey Tompkins (mail) (www):
M. Scott highlights part of the (conceptual) problem: that society needs to "do" something about the situation.

The reality is that -according to the historical record- one of the marks of a prosperous modern society is that population growth approaches (or reaches) zero. Dean touched upon this when he mentioned how immigration has kept America's population growing.

On the other hand, a century ago the self-adjusting mechanisms weren't nearly so apparent. :)

There seems to be a very strong conceptual lag between actual events and common wisdom. Many liberal/Democrats, for example, see big business in turn-of-the-century terms, just before the courts started enforcing anti-trust and pro-union laws. Many conservative/Republicans, on the other hand, tend to see liberals through a 1950s glass, with a newly-reformed (vis Ann Coulter) "Tail-gunner Joe" sniffing out traitorous commies everywhere.

As for themes such as overpopulation, pollution, etc., conventional wisdom hasn't passed 1969 yet. We are all metaphorically still watching that old TV commercial with people littering all over the place, closing with a closeup of an American Indian (a single tear running down his face) mourning what's happened to his land. A lot's happened since then.

Hell, too many people (such as Al Gore) still take that idiot Paul Erlich seriously, even though he's been wrong on every major prediction he's ever written.

One nit to pick: unless they finally changed the rent laws, I don't know that New York is a good choice to compare apartment prices... :)
10.21.2005 2:45pm
Eric R. Ashley (mail) (www):
Quite right, Dean.

I've read one novel, one of those nasty "I'm not sympathizing with terrorists, but lets let them get their whole speech out while nodding at their wisdom" books which has the wise woman killing off most of Earth's pop. with a bioweapon.

The writer was at least familiar with your arguement which is more than most overpopulation advocates. However, he suggested a different measure than land space...carrying capacity.

Of course, the carrying capacity of a free society is a lot larger than a unfree society. And so too, a society with ever growing tech is able to handle ever growing population.

Aziz makes a good point, but he doesn't see far enough. Yes, the costs associated rise geometrically, but the production gained rises a lot faster, I don't want to say exponentially.

Cities are the crossroads of commerce. Physical proximity allows more deals to be made. Two people can make two deals. Three can make six. And it goes up.

This is why in my future SF setting, Starsong Systems, I have a Futures Stockmarket set in microgravity. That way, you can get that scrum of shouting traders you see on teh NY stock exchange floor, but in three-dimensional space.

In order to put everyone into Alberta, we would have to have a much larger, more sophisticated economy. With a more efficient, and more just government.

Right now, it would be a disaster. Because we don't have the capability to organize seven billion people, even using the self-organizing nature of markets. New problems would spring up that we don't foresee now.

But, eh, give us a hundred years, and we could solve it. I don't see any real reason we couldn't have a hundred billion people on Earth, mostly living in comfort.
10.21.2005 2:50pm
Aziz (mail) (www):
Eric - totally agree that as time increases, society increases its support capability, esp with technology (as I explicitly mentioned).

Tech is not a panacea, but it helps.
10.21.2005 3:03pm
Robert B.:
Scott: I tried to crack some Canada jokes as well, but it seems everybody wants to be serious today.
10.21.2005 3:27pm
John_B (mail) (www):
I'd be hesitant to draw some sort of parallel between high-priced housing and good schools...

Take a look at DC housing prices, then look at the public school system. One is quite high; the other is quite low.

Same with NYC, for that matter.
10.21.2005 3:47pm
Laura (www):
While I agree overpopulation is not likely to become a major problem in the civilized world, people require significantly more acerage to sustain themselves than just the amount the require to live in plus the amenities you would typically find in Chicago, Paris, or what have you. Most importantly, you need a bunch of farmland. So just saying that we could all live in Alberta is slightly misleading. The planet is a lot bigger than Alberta, of course, and 7 billion doesn't stretch the carrying capacity of Earth, but Alberta alone wouldn't be sufficient to support the entire world's population. You'd need, I'd guess, at least all of Canada, and probably a good portion of the US to actually sustain that many, even at maximum efficiency.

Wake me when we get to 30 billion (I actually doubt we will ever hit this number before going extinct). Then I'll start to worry.
10.21.2005 3:49pm
Dean Esmay:
Aziz and Laura: Something akin to Moore's law has been at work in agriculture for some time, because the total amount of land required to feed people has been going down decade after decade for at least a century with no sign of abating. It's not in relative terms either; I didn't say "the amount of land per person has been going down." Although that's true, it would understate the case. The total amount of land needed worldwide to feed the world population has been going down even as the population has been going up, and that has been going on for as long as we've had reliable measurements for it.

Regarding India: since becoming free, they've never experienced a famine. If you look at the Freedom House data on them from the last 30 years, their civil and political freedoms have been improving remarkably, and if you look at their economy it's been growing, with a remarkable acceleration over the last 10 years or so. Their standards of living and average incomes have been increasing for generations and are today at all-time highs.

India's purchasing power parity today marks them as one of the best nations on Earth live in. Yes, the wealthier countries like the US, the UK, etc. can still beat them on that score but given their remarkable rate of growth in standards of living it's not at all clear that that will be true in another generation. They are rapidly developing into one of the world's economic powerhouses--and may one day be one of its military powerhouses too. There is a very good chance that in another 20 or 30 years the US will have comparatively few of the highly valuable Indian immigrants such as we have now because few in India will feel the need to leave for better opportunities.

India's also perilously close to the tipping point where average incomes are high enough that people choose to stop having a lot of children. That point has been noted in nation after nation: once most people's income passes a certain point, they stop having a lot of a lot of kids.
10.21.2005 4:47pm
Dean Esmay:
It seems that the higher the population density, the more likely the population will embrace socialistic schemes.

Mmmm, not really. Most of the world's communist nations were and are predominantly agrarian, with comparatively low population densities spread across large areas. You may think of China as having a huge population, but in fact most of its population is spread thinly across a huge land area, with an average population density nationwide of only about 10 people per square kilometer. Most communist revolutions took place in nations like that.

What you see that is typical in large urban areas should probably be called a tendency toward democratic capitalism, with social services paid for through taxes on a predominantly market-based economy.

Point of information: India's total population density is about 25-30 people per square kilometer, just by comparison to China's 10 or so, and India has much higher standards of living, a less socialized economy, and massively more political and civil freedom than China.
10.21.2005 4:53pm
Dean Esmay:
John: What you will find to be the hallmark of high population density areas with horrid schools, such as Washington DC, is incompetent governance of those schools. In which case what people in the wealthy areas will do is pay extra to send their kids to high quality private school. You just add that to the premium they pay to be in the high population density zones.

Lousy public schools have no lack of funding by the way. Most of the worst public schools in the United States have the best funding, and schools with less funding routinely outperform them. So again my point about incompetent governance.
10.21.2005 5:23pm
Dean Esmay:
By the way: The most "pessimistic" estimates we have by reliable sources have the world population peaking at 11 billion around 2100. More "optimistic" figures have it peaking at 8 or 9 billion around 2050. We will hit that equilibrium at a point where the average world income and daily caloric intake hits a point where most people don't want to have more than 1 or 2 kids. Also most likely by that point humans will take up less land for living and agricultural space than we do now.

I use the scare quotes above since I think a world population of 40 or 50 billion would be quite positive, not negative--both for the human race and for planetary ecology. But assuming we buy into the idea that overpopulation is a threat, then we can stop worrying; by the end of this century, the big question in most of the world is going to be how to talk people into having more kids.
10.21.2005 5:40pm
mikeca (mail) (www):
It is really not important if the whole world population can stand on Zanzibar or live in Alberta. When people talk about overpopulation, they are not worried about the earth running out of land for people to stand or live on. Does the earth have enough farmland and oceans to feed everyone? Are there enough natural resources to support the population?
10.21.2005 5:54pm
Linda Peters (mail):
It would take 500 years just for the first round.

I think that's roughly the schedule for the NHL now. Or maybe by June it just seems that way.
10.21.2005 6:46pm
Dave (mail):
Which reminds me of John Ringo's There Will Be Dragons series....
10.21.2005 8:54pm
Dave (mail):
Sorry, was referring to the last sentence of Dean's last comment.
10.21.2005 8:55pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
No Canadian jokes.
:(
10.21.2005 10:41pm
Doc Rampage II (mail) (www):
Scott, calm down. The depth of a playoff bracket is only logarithmic in the number of teams. A billion teams has a bracket depth of only 30. If you restrict the playoffs to single-game, single-elimination matchups and play every day, you can do the entire playoff season in one month.

Of course, this means that for the first day of playoffs, you need a half-billion stadiums.
10.21.2005 10:46pm
Dean Esmay:
Mike: First off, it's quite relevant how many people we can squeeze into one place, because one of the most frequent claims is that we are "overcrowded," that our cities and such are expanding to destroy all the wilderness and land, with some even wildly speculating that we'll have solid cityscape from coast to coast and such nonsense.

It's true that in some specific areas we're crowding out non-urban land, but on the whole it's false. The trend is toward greater and greater concentrations of people in urban areas, with enormous tracts of non-urban land completely dwarfing the inhabited areas, and an increasing--increasing!--amount of land being given over to forests and such.

As for the separate, and equally valid, question about if we have enough farmland to feed everybody, that's already been answered. Yes, we do have enough already to feed more than the current world population, and even as the amount of people has been going up, the total amount of land we need to feed them has been going down.

And further, we have no reason to believe the world population will ever get much more than twice what it is now unless we start taking extreme measures to encourage people to have more kids.

In other words, fears of crushing overpopulation destroying the planet, mass starvation, etc., are simply groundless in free societies.
10.21.2005 10:53pm
Dean Esmay:
Casey said it so well it should be repeated:

There seems to be a very strong conceptual lag between actual events and common wisdom. Many liberal/Democrats, for example, see big business in turn-of-the-century terms, just before the courts started enforcing anti-trust and pro-union laws. Many conservative/Republicans, on the other hand, tend to see liberals through a 1950s glass, with a newly-reformed (vis Ann Coulter) "Tail-gunner Joe" sniffing out traitorous commies everywhere.

As for themes such as overpopulation, pollution, etc., conventional wisdom hasn't passed 1969 yet. We are all metaphorically still watching that old TV commercial with people littering all over the place, closing with a closeup of an American Indian (a single tear running down his face) mourning what's happened to his land. A lot's happened since then.
10.21.2005 10:56pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
There's a lot of space out in space, too. We've only begun....
10.22.2005 1:49am
Dean Esmay:
Yep. The stars our destination...
10.22.2005 3:36am
McKiernan:
I figures it this way. If the current world population is 6.9 billion and they all moved to Alberta, it would mean Alberta would need 100,000 Superdomes (New Orleans capacity of 69,000) so everyone could go to a football, baseball or a hockey game. Now they could built less but that would be against any affirmative action policy that read that everyone has the right to go to a football game. But being realistic, not all the citizens will go to a sporting event. Like they would run out of hotdogs really fast. Not to mention the number of cattle needed for the Calgary Stampede. So now Alberta only has to build 50,000 Superdomes. Just figuring…

To be continued
10.22.2005 7:05pm