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Perpetual Motion

perpetual motionOne of my favorite subjects in science has long been perpetual motion machines. There's something seductive about their illusion, because they trap so many people into spending so much time trying to find ways to try to make them work. They never do work of course, but some of the attempts show amazing cleverness. They serve as a testament to why what seems like a good idea is often wrong.

Also, puzzling out the exact reasons why one of them doesn't work is often a great lesson in logical thinking and in understanding physics. All of this is why I thoroughly enjoyed this site when I stumbled upon it: The Museum of Unworkable Devices.

Of course there's always the possibility that one of these days someone will make a perpetual motion machine that works. In which case they'll have a device that creates energy out of nothing. Let's hope it doesn't get out of control and create enough energy to destroy the Earth, or worse, get stuck in reverse and start sucking all the energy out of the universe...

(If I have to explain to you that I'm joking in that last paragraph, I'll have to slap you.)

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Mike "Veeshir" Fisher (mail):
The US Patent Office gets applications for perpetual motion machines occasionally.
It's no long standard practice to require a working model for most inventions, but for those applications that's all that the examiner has to do to reject it. Demand a working model and when none shows up just give it a "won't work" rejection using no prior art.
In Germany, from what I've been told, they just allow all of them instead of messing with lunatics. That must make for some absolutely hysterical patent infringement cases where neither one can make the device that one is suing the other for making.
9.29.2005 11:25am
Cynical Nation (mail) (www):
To me, the most seductive of these "perpetual motion" schemes is one that Richard Feynman proposed, using a ratchet and pawl device to harness Brownian motion. The "free" energy was used to lift a flea in Feynman's thought experiment. Unlike most other such proposals I'd seen, the flaw was by no means immediately obvious -- to me, at least. ;-)

Here's a link describing it.
9.29.2005 12:19pm
Masked Menace (mail):
(If I have to explain to you that I'm joking in that last paragraph, I'll have to slap you.)

Hey, some people go in for that kind of thing. :-)

BK
9.29.2005 12:28pm
Sandi (www):
This brings back memories (and a smile) of when I was in highschool. I attempted to make one very similar to the example in your post. The difference was that I used glass tubes (Corona cigar tubes) instead.

I filled the tubes half full of water with hopes that rising near the top left the water would move to the inner glass tube, and on the lower right downside move to the outer part.

Of course it didn't work, but it was fun to make and play with.
9.29.2005 3:19pm
Rodney Dill (mail):
I don't know about your last paragraph joke.

Al Gore can pretty much suck the energy out of anything.
9.29.2005 4:28pm
Phelps (www):
I always thought that friction was the bane of perpetual motion machines. If you could come up with a magnetic bearing, a true vaccuum, and put it out at a lagrangian point where gravity isn't a factor, you ought to be able to just set it to spinning and come back in a few million years.
9.29.2005 7:22pm
Dean Esmay:
Hey Cynical: You said "here's a link" but there's no link.

Sandi: You'll be amused to note that a device like that was first put together in 1100, it's called the Bhaskahra Wheel and is illustrated here. :-)

Phelps: Overcoming friction isn't the only problem.
9.29.2005 8:09pm
Sandi (www):
Something different that I found by accident years ago and is sorta fun and easy to do.

Take two small flat magnet like the ones that hold your cupboard doors shut (large magnets don't seem to work). Lay them down flat and end to end with like poles facing. Lift the facing end of one slightly higher but very close to over the other. Carefully release it.

If you release it just right it will hover over the other magnet and oscilate up/down. It will eventually stop oscilating and come to rest. It was years ago and I don't recall how long it took (seems it was around an hour or so), but it was a very long time.

Apparently inertia is at work caused in turn by repulsion then gravity. I think larger magnets don't work because of too much disparity between gravity (weight) and the density of flux in the magnets as they get heavier.
9.29.2005 9:16pm
Mark Shaw (mail):
There is no possibility at all that "someone will make a perpetual motion machine that works." Ask anyone who's ever taken a university-leve thermodynamics course (and passed).

The inventor of the tunnel diode actually had a hard time getting a patent, because the patent office thought the component was doing something (negative impedance) that violated the same physical law that prohibits perpetual motion. It really doesn't, but they do sort of take this kind of thing seriously.
9.30.2005 12:32am
triticale (mail) (www):
An overbalance wheel like the one in that delightful GIF wouldn't work at a LaGrange point. Gravity is what pulls it around. You just can't get any work out of it.

Anyone else here a fan of both ZZ Top and near-space colonization?
9.30.2005 12:36am
Dean Esmay:
Mark Shaw: [SLAP! SLAPSLAPSLAPSLAPSLAPSLAP!]

Now go to your room young man.

(To repeat: If I have to explain to you that I'm joking in that last paragraph, I'll have to slap you...)
9.30.2005 3:46am
Cynical Nation (mail) (www):
Sorry. I don't know what happened to the link. Here it is.
9.30.2005 10:55am
Dean Esmay:
Cyncial: Now, that's FREAKING COOL!!
9.30.2005 2:48pm
Dean Esmay:
The brownian motion thing might be proven workable at the molecular level if you could prove that at some level a small fraction of the heat is being converted to cause the motion. Even if only an extremely tiny percentage, that would seem to fix the argument about the second law of thermodynamics.

If, if, if. I didn't say it's so, I just note that at the end of the article it says there's some reason to believe DNA makes use of brownian motion. If that were true, that might be the explanation.
9.30.2005 2:54pm