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On Pacifism, Gandhi, and the Jews

Neo-Neocon's got a great discussion going.

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Kevin D (mail) (www):
I always knew he was an idiot. No one, short of Yeshua Himself, has a publicist that good.

However, this is akin to calling Mother Teresa a filthy whore, in most circles. Most people aren't gonna bite.
9.29.2005 4:58am
Mike (mail):
Kevin: True, I wasn't aware he was that big an idiot.

I remember some years back I attended a church conference and the speaker was going off on non-violence and had people getting up and giving anecdotal evidence of non-violence working. One young guy told how he was being bullied in school and had told the bully (What are you getting out of this?" and how the bully had stopped.

Right then I silently called "B.S.!" In my school if I had been stupid enough to do that I would have been pounded into jelly. Fighting back was the only thing that worked. I mean, appealing to someone's better nature is all well and good, provided they actually have a better nature to appeal to.

Reality bites. Hard.
9.29.2005 10:49am
Dean Esmay:
I have always noted to pacifists that had Gandhi been facing Hitler or Stalin, he would never have been famous, because as soon as he stepped out of line they would have emptied a gun into his skull and thrown the body into a ditch.

Although they did many questionable things, when push came to shove the British were basically honorable people.

One of Neo-Neocon's commenters is right when he notes that at some point the British must have realized that if Gandhi were to call for violence, or were to be killed, they would face a horribly violent response. But this misses the larger point: the British were far too decent a people to do that early on, before he developed his massive following, when killing him or anyone else who spoke out against them would have been simple and easy and cost them almost nothing.
9.29.2005 11:03am