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Modern Racism Unsheeted

Jeff Goldstein recently took (mild) exception to my earlier charge that he was pussyfooting on racism. He noted in my comments that he was just being precise, and pointed to this excellent essay on the real meaning of "race" in contemporary America. I can find little in his essay to take exception to. I might quibble on a few points, but he's on the money.

And so I repeat what I have said before, and stand behind:

Kanye West is a racist hatemonger. His defenders are enablers--at best.

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Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
My only quibble is that Mr. Goldstein (like many others) goes to far in insisting that there's no biological meaning to race. In a lot of ways, that's true; but when it becomes dogma, it drives the doctors crazy. Race is an indicator (though not a predictor) of a shared genetic heritage that can indicate proclivity toward (or against) certain diseases. The high tendency toward sickle cell anemia and malaria resistance among those of African descent is the most well known example, but there are lots of others. And there are probably lots we haven't found yet; but if researchers try to look into these, they can be tripped up by the "race is a social construct" dogmatists.

To insist that there's no biological component to race is, frankly, silly PC crap. We can well argue over how much the biological components matter. We can observe that the range of variation within one race is large enough to contain individuals of another race, making it extremely difficult to define race. But when we deny any biological component to race, we rob doctors of an important diagnostic tool. That's dangerous.
9.4.2005 10:55am
Josh Reynolds (mail) (www):
I would argue that these differences as I know them make no difference in the real arguments about race. I don't think anyone refutes that blacks are more inclined to sickle cell anemia. But, so what? This and the other differences between white, black, asian etc... seem very, very, very, minor.
9.4.2005 12:39pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Josh,

I agree that they're minor differences. But when I read essays (I can't find one right now, but I've seen them occasionally) where researchers are shut down because the biology of race is a taboo subject, and thus we lose out on possible treatment programs, then I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way.
9.4.2005 12:58pm
Dean Esmay:
The study of what makes people of different racial groups different besides just skin color would be useful, but it would be maddeningly complicated because of intermarriage.
9.4.2005 2:53pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Race (i.e., differences in skin color, facial features, etc., deriving from which continent your ancestors came from), like blood type, should be used by doctors in diagnosing and treating diseases. But we do not classify people by blood type for "affirmative action", nor do we have demagogues screaming that certain blood types are morally inferior or are politically oppressed, and we should not do so with race either. I once wrote a story based on a war between blood types just as I satirically described here. It's a reductio ad absurdam. Problem is, everything you think of as a reduction ad absurdam is now being taught as truth by some professor somewhere.
9.4.2005 4:25pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I wrote:
"Race (i.e., differences in skin color, facial features, etc., deriving from which continent your ancestors came from)"

Aesthetic, too, obviously, as any man or woman may well be attracted to a certain color of skin or of hair, a certain shape of eyes or nose or lips, as well as a certain body type (ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph, or any permutation of these). But ethically and politically, as I said, these things are as irrelevant as blood type.
9.4.2005 8:46pm
protein wisdom (mail) (www):
Martin —

I think you'll find I'm the farthest thing from PC. In the early days of the blogospher, Steve Sailer showed up in my comments to make the same kind of argument you're making here. Essentiall, Josh (above) is correct: the way we use race and the way race actually works genetically are disconnected; my solution was to get rid of race as we use it, not to get rid of the science of population genetics. My argument is a semantic one, but an important one nevertheless, as it is precisely the semantic misunderstanding of "race" that, once it finds its way into public policy, becomes problematic.

Here is the link to my email exchange with Sailer; and here's a follow-up post debating Aaron Hawkins, now deceased. Read through the comments, as well, for some further back and forth; I think some good debate took place there.
9.5.2005 3:23am
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
Jeff,

Too busy to read links right now, so I'll take your word for it. If you want to draw a distinction between race and population genetics, I'm comfortable with that. It's the population genetics that I don't want to lose, for its diagnostic (and maybe even therapeutic) benefits. Call it whatever buzzword you want, as long as doctors can use it as a tool.

And it's a coarse tool, with family history being a finer grained tool, and detailed genetic screening having far better answers than either of them. It's only a starting point, but it's still a useful one.
9.5.2005 11:46am
Dean Esmay:
Well it only makes sense. Diabetes runs higher in the black community than any other sub-population in the United States except possibly American Indians. Doctors need to know this, and more importantly, black and Native American people need to know this--they're at risk big time.

Black men have almost a ten year lower life expectancy from the general population. Heart disease and the diabetes cut them down like crazy once they hit middle age. They need to know this. Doctors do know it, but in-depth study of it is lacking. Some assume it's cultural factors, and maybe that's it... or maybe it's not it. Or maybe it's culture AND something else. If we're afraid to ask the question, we just don't know do we?
9.5.2005 11:01pm
Lester Spence (mail) (www):
I've read your posts on Kanye and on his racism.

Here's my question.

How would you measure "care" in a political sense? If a constituent said that his representative did not "care" about him, how would you know whether he was on the money?
9.8.2005 4:42pm