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Cindy Sheehan

A woman named Cindy Sheehan is getting a lot of press for hanging out outside of Bush's Crawford ranch while he's on vacation and demanding to meet him. Patterico notes that Cindy Sheehan's story has changed substantially from the last time she met face-to-face with the President.

When she met with him a year ago--a private face-to-face meeting--she came out saying, "I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," and "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith." Amazingly, major media outlets reporting on her current vigil outside of Crawford are not mentioning any of this. As I say, Patterico's got the details.

In further news, Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins have signed a statement disavowing what Cindy Sheehan is doing.

Mark Noonan, a former Navy man, has some moving thoughts of his own.

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Mrs. du Toit (www):
Michelle Malkin was on O'Reilly talking about this last night. Yeah, I hadn't had a chance to change the channel when he came on, and left it on to hear what she had to say.

It's all over her front page.
8.11.2005 6:26pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
I don't give a shit about this woman's loss in particular. It's no different than that of more thousands of other American parents who have lost sons or daughters in combat in this war; and all of which is relatively insignificant in relation to the circles of grief among families of those who died for this country in the 20th century wars of the United States. You all want liberty? That's part of the national price to be paid. You don't like that equation? Try Canada. Which survives as a national entity in secure and splendid isolation on this continent primarily because of the forebearance and protection of the United States.

No government can make national policy on more than incidental consideration of grieving relatives. That is a key reasons we have an all-volunteer professional army now, rather than the conscripted hordes of the past.

I sincerely hope Bush just lets her sit out there to broil all day in the central Texas August sun. If he actually lets her come onto his to pester him in the presence of photographers, my remaining respect for him would go right down the rat-hole.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
8.11.2005 7:31pm
FredKiesche (mail) (www):
The Mark Noonan link is dead...
8.11.2005 8:06pm
Dean Esmay:
Link fixed.

One wonders if this guy would like the honor of his memory served the way his mother's doing it. I'm sure he loved her, but she apparently didn't respect his choices.
8.11.2005 9:07pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
It's one thing to cut a woman who has lost a child some slack--it's another to indulge someone who's throwing a temper tantrum in front of the world, with ol' Lord Pork-Pork ready to use the footage as part of his next enemy propaganda extravaganza, and every moonbat in existence ready to pounce should GWB take pity on her. Grief only excuses so much.

Go home, Mrs. Sheehan.
8.11.2005 11:35pm
Partisan Political Operative @ 11372 (www):
Cindy Sheehan dishonors her son.

I found this:

the-truth-behind-the-opportunism/

Here’s the key sentence:

“Casey Sheehan re-enlisted with the Army in August of 2003, knowing that his unit would eventually be deployed in Iraq.”

Casey Sheehan did not have to re-enlist. He knew the dangers, and he was awarded a Bronze Star for action at the time of his death.

His mother is standing on his coffin and playing the grieving mother. What a head case.

By the way, Mrs. Sheehan has met with President Bush on one occassion already. It was just with other relatives present. What is with this demand for more time?
8.12.2005 12:05am
Klaus Guenther (mail) (www):
Yes, it doesn't make any sense. It's a funny thing how the left strives to make children and their decisions completely autonomous from their parents, but when a grown man makes a decision, all of a sudden the mother can sob in front of a camera. And the left eats it up. She has no business berating Bush for a decision her grown son made. War isn't a game.

It's impossible to come to any other conclusion than that the left doesn't even try to be consistant in the positions they hold. Nearly all of them seem to be held purely for convenience sake, but the moment they become inconvenient, they are dropped.

I'm not trying to say they should be foolishly consistant (nice post on that, btw), but they don't even try to maintain basic consistancies.
8.12.2005 8:22am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Mark Noonan was excellent, as usual. Cindy Sheehan had it right the first time when she saw President Bush, but then she allowed herself to be used by Lord Pork Pork and his gang. Her son must be spinning in his grave.

Yes, the Left foolishly contradicts itself all the time. Thry'll twist themselves into pretzels in order to "bash Bush" and "stick it to the fundies". A teenage girl should be free have an abortion without her parents' knowledge or consent, but a grown man must not enlist in the defense of his country without a permission slip from his parents, and if he does, it's all Bush's fault. They hold vigils outside prisons to protest the execution of a convicted serial killer, but screamed for the death (by starvation and thirst) of Terri Schiavo. They demand that every cross or mention of God be removed from every public monument, but scream "censorship!" if taxpayers object to paying for a crucifix dipped in urine. They condemn Bush as a "fascist" but praise Castro. The list is endless.
8.12.2005 12:23pm
Martin L. Shoemaker (www):
That link about disagreement in the Sheehan family has a lot of people (on the Left, of course) crying "Fake!" They say it's a fraudulent email.

Here's a news story where they called the author of the email and verified it: http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_2936043.
8.12.2005 1:43pm
Mike (mail):
Mrs. Sheehan is becoming a "Miss Havisham". Like the character in Great Expectations she cannot let go. Miss Havisham's fiance jilted her on her wedding day and for years she sat in the great house, wearing her wedding dress, nurturing her hate, while the cake grew dustier and moldier over the years.* She could not get past that point in her life, she obsessed on that one thing.

Mrs. Sheehan is becoming that. She cannot let go of her dead son. This was no little child slain by a stranger or perishing by accident or disease. This was an adult who joined the US military knowing full well that military service could result in death in combat. She has to mourn and then get on with her life. Obsessing over this won't make her son come back but will likely drive her mad with bitterness and grief. On that note, the "peace groups" that are using this woman as a standard bearer are evil as they are exploiting a woman who needs some serious help, by not helping her move on but rather keeping that grief and bitterness focussed, all to hurt the man they hate, George W. Bush, a man who will not run for president ever again. I pity Mrs. Sheehan, for she is going mad. I despise those who use her, for they care not that she is going mad.


*Proving that this man showed an uncommon amount of common sense by not getting hitched to a complete nut.
8.12.2005 1:43pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I must add that there was once a time when a mother would say to her son going off to War: "Come back with your shield or on it."
8.12.2005 3:52pm
mikeca (mail) (www):
I think it is shameful how both the right and the left are treating Cindy Sheehan. The anti-war movement is trying to exploit her and attack dogs of the right are trying to slime her. The main attack against her seems to be that she has changed her mine in the last year. Reality check: Has anyone looked at the poll trends over the last couple of years? Cindy Sheehan is not the only person to have changed his or her mind about Iraq. Changing your mind is an American right.

I think Bush should have met with Cindy Sheehan, expressed his sympathy for her loss, and explained why the war in Iraq is essential part of the long-term security of our country. Cindy Sheehan probably would not have believed it, and might have tried to argue with Bush, but it would have been the end of this story, and Bush would have looked like a stronger leader.
8.12.2005 10:45pm
Mark Noonan (mail) (www):
mikeca,

But he already did that - you don't get an endless series of "do-overs" with the President of the United States...she's not the only mother who lost a son in Iraq.

Additionally, she's travelling with a leftwing conspiracy-theorist circus...arriving in Crawford on a bus emblazoned "Bush Impeachment Tour". Why on Earth should President Bush meet with anyone that out of touch with reality?
8.12.2005 11:10pm
jlb (www):
Here's Iraq the Model's response to Ms. Sheehan:

A message to Cindy Sheehan

Good answer...
>^..^<
8.13.2005 5:04pm