Nastiness
Dean
I was recently described by a left-wing hate-blogger who goes by the anonymous handle "Mithras" as:
...popular among right-wingers as one of those centrists who just happen to hate liberals and Democrats. A proud dry drunk, he works out his unresolved childhood issues of being raised in a union household by writing about his crackpot theories on HIV/AIDS, feminism, and capitalism.
I'm not going to link it. I resolved long ago not to give links to people who attack me or my family personally, nor to host their trackbacks (disagreement is fine, attacks are not). But you can read more about it from David Bernstein.
I was only one of ten bloggers attacked, but Bernstein rightly singles out the slurs against Michelle Malkin, since she was subjected to the most sexist and racist attacks of all. But all of the attacks served to illustrate Mithras and his fans are vicious racists, sexists, and crypto-fascist creeps---sort of like Michael Moore but without the good looks, or Ann Coulter without the cojones.
For the record: I don't hate liberals, nor Democrats. I do hate fascists and fascist apologists, some of whom wear liberal clothing--and some of whom wear conservative clothing. I also despise the hate-America left: the Noam Chomskys, the Howard Zinns, the Pepe Escobars, and so on, along with vile people like Jerry Falwell or James Dobson or Pat Buchanan. I am also very much a defender of the honorable people who work in our military.
I've never hidden any of that, nor the fact that I view my liberalism as the old-fashioned, patriotic variety: anti-fascist, anti-totalitarian, open-minded, favoring ideas for reform, and eschewing tradition for tradition's sake.
If it's any consolation, a lot of conservatives and libertarians make the mistake of counting me in their number--then become shocked when they learn about my views on things like education and health care, gay rights, immigration, "family values," abortion, Islam and other non-Christian religions, large corporations, language, fashion, premarital sex, and so on. I simply don't fit into the neat little boxes that people on the left or right want to put me into.
I didn't grow up in a union household. Also I am not a "proud dry drunk," I am a much-more-often sober, less-self-indulgent drunk, not proud of it at all, and I only talk about it because I want to help other people.
My "crackpot theories" on HIV and AIDS are not mine at all. They are those of world-class biologists with numerous peer-reviewed papers to their names (including at least one Nobel laureate), practicing medical doctors, and HIV+ people I have spoken to. In other words, whether they're right or wrong, they are hardly "crackpot."
I have no particular theory on capitalism except that government-regulated, generally-free markets generally work, while Marxism is a dysfunctional philosophy of murder and hate.
"Feminism" is a null concept until you explain what you mean by it. I'm certainly a staunch advocate for women's rights in oppressed countries like Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria, and so on, and without reservation. I am generally an advocate of fairness and freedom of choice between the sexes. I'm also an unabashed advocate of men's rights, since so much of our system of law here in the U.S. is extremely hostile to men, most particularly fathers.
There are those I suppose who looked at Mithras' piece as humorous. I admit, I chuckled more than a little reading it--but only because I can think of little that belies the fundamentally reactionary and intolerant worldview that has come to define so much of the left today.









Feel free to delete the trackback, or let me know if this is kosher.
That's the policy I urge others to take, not something I enforce. Still, think what a more civil place this would be if more of us chose to ignore the likes of Drudge, Kos, Atrios, Savage, Coulter, and so on.
I continue to read precisely because you don't fit the boxes. Dean is Dean. I may not agree with everything you say, but I can deal with that. We're adults here. Same reason I keep reading that post-punk Long Island mother Michele.
As for the post, horribly inaccurate, as you've noted, but flattering in a way as well in a weird way. At least you're part of the party.
Or maybe my stress levels are getting too high again.
I admire Dean
For marrying the Queen.
I admire the Queen
For marrying Dean.
This Commie does not derserve the name "Mithras". Mithras/Mitra is the name of a Persian and Hindu (both come from the same Indo-Iranian Aryan roots of the Vedic era) Sun God, who was later worshipped by high-ranking officers in the Roman army at the time of the rise of Christianity. Another blogger of that stripe went under the name of "Hesiod". When these "progressives" adopt or invoke great mythic names of the past, they do so blasphemously.
Idiotic description of Eugene Volokh and his "Conspiracy". I've been reading that blog for years. It is basically libertarian, Constitutionallist. I've never seen anything there remotely resembling "locking up all the blacks". That cliche got stale in the late 1960s, and yet this jerk continues to paste it on everybody he disagrees with on anything.
Dean is a true liberal, an ardent democrat, and and old-style (FDR/Truman) Democrat. He is not a conservative. Mark Noonan is a conservative, as are Scott Harris and Kevin D. and other great commenters here, and Arnold Harris is a man (and 1/2) of the Right, as am I. Quite a panoply here, but not too much of the likes of Kos or "Mithras".
The smear against Michelle Malkin (as also against Condi Rice) does indeed prove how racist and sexist these "progressives" really are, as well as anti-homosexual (e.g., countless "outings"), anti-Jewish ("anti-Zionist"), anti-working class (e.g., attacks on "hard hats" and "rednecks"), and anti-humanist (see "animal rights" and "deep ecology") -- everything they accuse conservatives of being. They are utter hypocrites and totally without principle, values, or ideas of any kind. Obviously, their only goal is to grab power (totalitarianism) -- and they are bungling that terribly (as they are scarcely capable of winning an election for dog catcher these days) -- or else just to tear down everything in sight (nihilism).
Wow. Dean Esmay a 'Far Right Wing Nut'. IIRC, you're a pro-choice atheist who voted for Gore in 2000.
And it really takes an egeregious capacity for doublethink to not realize that the final paragraph about Malkin and Barber is the vilest sort of racism.
Again I'm reminded of why I stay the hell away from all left-wing blogs. They're downright scary in how easily they rationalize their repugnant reactionary impulses.
I have no love towards the REAL right-wing nuts either - I refuse to read creationist or theocrat propaganda, and even though calling LGF a 'hate site' is ridiculous (Charles Johnson is by no means a right-wing nut), the comments section is a tedious and often offensive display of frothing at the mouth without ever discussing anything.
Seems like a case of projection and suppressed envy in the part you quote there, Sam. Never knew that love of country meant I wanted to be in the country club set (whoever that is).
Man, these dudes have some serious problems they need to work out.
What exactly is this psychobabble supposed to mean?
You know I have been participating in online discussion since I bought a '386-20 with a modem back in 1989. Most of that time I wrote under a pseudonym - until I realized that I was hiding not for safety, but for the freedom to toss "intellectual molotov's" without repercussion.
Since "coming out" I find that I am becoming increasingly less patient with people who are afraid to use their real names in posts. It's easy to attack someone when you can't be traced. It adds a whole new dimension to debate when you attack someone who can show up at your doorstep.
"Mithras" - what, is that the name of the guy's favorite D&D character?
I favor legalization of marijuana, prostitution, gay marriage, and gay adoption. I'm also an atheist. But the reason I'm still considered "Conservative" (by self-described "Liberals") is because I'm unashamedly patriotic, and because I believe in the virtues of private property and oppose government confiscation for purposes of redistribution of wealth. And because I support the war.
In modern American, "Liberal" doesn't mean classical liberalism. Modern "Liberals" are authoritarian socialists, and classic liberals are considered conservatives.
Authoritarian socialists. There is nothing to like in that term. Nothing at all.
I also campaigned briefly (pointlessly, alas) for Joe Lieberman and tried my damnedest to find things to like about Wes Clark and John Edwards in '04. (And Kerry did have the right stance on at least three issues so far as I was concerned in '04).
On the other hand, in retrospect I think Republicans have been *way way* too hard on Clinton, and I might vote for Hillary in '08.
Steven: Increasingly I am unwilling to surrender to the notion that we are "conservatives." Conservatism is a specific state of mind and part of a specific movement that people like you and I can share some goals with but can never truly be a part of. It's okay, they're not evil, they have an important voice that's worth hearing--but I also have to say that strictly on a technical level, conservatism is forever doomed to failure: their fight is ultimately against change and entropy, which is a battle that always fails eventually (at least until God's kingdom comes or whatever). Ultimately their job is to be the people who stop the wheels from falling off and to keep the car from careening off a cliff while the harebrained reformers tinker with redesigning things while driving down the road at unstoppable speeds.
At some future point this temporary alliance we have with them will shift, and where will we and they be? Possibly fierce opponents. Probably so. So be it. At least we'll try to remember we were allies once.
There is I think a tremendous strength in doing the work to really understand conservative thought and conservative arguments, as well as liberal ones--indeed, one of my favorite exercises (shh, don't tell anyone) is to make strong arguments for liberal policies using standard conservative logic, and to make strong arguments for conservative policies using standard liberal logic. It allows you to see things you normally have trouble noticing in the fog of typical arguments, and makes people go "hmmm!"
I'm not sure I'm getting the categories right here.
One time, I was punched in the head, glasses shattered and stepped on, and robbed of pizza in a crowd. The most shocking thing was not the pain, but the sense that someone hated me enough to hit me for no good reason. But upon further consideration, I wonder if they hated me at all, if I was just a symbol to them.
Since James Wolcott is a lame Joan Rivers wannabe, "Mithras" looks third-rate in comparison. He's the Shannon Dougherty of the blogosphere.
Dean Esmay is popular among right-wingers as one of those centrists who just happen to hate liberals and Democrats.
So-called "liberals and Democrats" (actually Leftists) like Mithras are hated by centrists, conservatives, working people, the poor, the middle class and the wealthy. The only people who don't hate them are the DNC and the press.
These authoritarian socialists are going to have to start asking themselves "Why do they hate us?"
If they do ask, this former Democrat can come up with a very long list of reasons.
Of course, thats psychobabble, but thats the game Mithras was playing. Back at ya, bub.
Great point Steven, well-put.
Myself, I'm Liberal in the sense that a Liberal is one who stands for the freedom of the individual, as in freedom of thought and expression. I'm Conservative in the sense that a Conservative is one who stands for or conserves ancient and eternal absolute values. I believe, as did Frank S. Meyer, that the two are intertwined. As it was said here a while ago: Freedom requires virtue. Virtue requires faith. Faith requires freedom.
E.g.: I do not smoke marijuana, I keep my hair extremely short, I wear a fedora, and I listen to Beethoven. But I believe that marijuana should be legal for those who want it, or, at the very least, that the federal government must stay out of it (see the Tenth Amendment.
I strongly support the right of the homosexual -- the androsexual man (man's man) and the gynosexual (Lesbian) woman -- to marry another man or woman of his or her own choice. This is Liberal in the sense of choice, but also extremely Conservative. As a Conservative, I believe that sex is sacred and therefore should be reserved for marriage, i.e., a bond shaped by a vow of total commitment. That is what homosexuals as well as heterosexuals must strive to do.
As a Liberal, I believe that a woman has the absolute right over her own body, including the choice to use whatever contraceptives she sees fit. I also believe, as a Liberal, that her baby, once conceived, has the right to choose not to be aborted.
I am extremely Conservative, Reactionary, theologically, i.e., a Polytheist. I respect other traditional religions of the West: Catholicism, fundamental Protestantism, Orthodox Judaism, Peikovian Objectivism.
I am extremely Conservative in strongly supporting the mightiest voluntary military force we can build, and using it to defend our country and our Western civilization against all enemies.
That is where I stand. If a "Progressive" blogger wishes to put me on his hate list, I shall consider it an honor.
Dean's World has become a major part of my life over the past 2-3 years, or however long I've hung out here. I've had an opportunity to say what I think, and a matching opportunity to listen in on how others respond to what I write. If you and all this didn't exist, they'd have to invent you. Because the blogworld would be a lot more bereft of content without you.
So just smile at those folks and ignore them.
Your friend,
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Which I guess simply proves the point: the post you're talking about wasn't criticizing your politics; it was an uncalled for personal attack hiding in the clothes of a political rant.
Disappointing, that.
Their goal isn't to find spiritual truth, though, it's just to piss off Christians.
But I'd understand if any Mithraic followers disagreed.
And yes, the Left does like to tick off Christians. If they were smart, they'd try to lull Christians into somnolence, or even recruit them.
G. K. Chesterton and C. S. Lewis saw it that way also, that Mithras, Balder, Osiris, Dumuzi, etc., were types of the Christ. An extremely interesting and profound idea. And Frigga, Isis, Ishtar, Inanna, etc., were then types of Mary, the Queen of Heaven. I like that a lot better than the Jack T. Chick view that they were all devils, though I would not deny that some of the Gods such as Set or Moloch were devilish.
"And yes, the Left does like to tick off Christians. If they were smart, they'd try to lull Christians into somnolence, or even recruit them."
They have dones exactly that in the past, infiltrating Christian churches in order to water down doctrine and preach the Socialist Gospel, pacifism, etc.. With the manifest failure of socialism today, the Left has become increasingly nihilistic, like a cornered rat baring its teeth, and the increasingly open hostility to religion, particularly Christianity (the historic religion of the West since circa 1100 A.D.) is an expression of that. As more and more Christians return to their historic faith, to Catholicism or to fundamental Protestantism, the Leftists sneer at "Christers" and "Jesusland", aggressively promote evolution while refusing to permit any thought even of the possibility of a Creator, demanding the removal and suppression of all religious symbols and utterances, demanding at the same time that government subsidize blasphemous "art". Today's Leftover Left is bankrupt and, literally, "without a prayer".
perhaps you are a jacksonian democrat. I understand they were very libertarian for their time.
"I really should say something intellectual and witty, but I grew up in a blue collar household in Brooklyn and I'm still trying to work out my unresolved childhood issues, so I'll just say: what a stupid MF."
Along the lines of what Jane said, what exactly are the childhood issues that attend on having been brought up in a union household? My father has been USW since I was a small boy, and if that means I have some ready excuse to spin crackpot social theories, I'll be happy to hear it.
"G. K. Chesterton and C. S. Lewis saw it that way also, that Mithras, Balder, Osiris, Dumuzi, etc., were types of the Christ. An extremely interesting and profound idea. And Frigga, Isis, Ishtar, Inanna, etc., were then types of Mary, the Queen of Heaven. I like that a lot better than the Jack T. Chick view that they were all devils, though I would not deny that some of the Gods such as Set or Moloch were devilish."
Theological correction: no "were" in this paragraph -- are. I should not use past tense for that which is eternal.
I'm just sorry I ever befriended the creep.
As for Bush doing no wrong: You want a list of things he's done wrong that I've mentioned on this blog? I can give you one, and maybe add a few more besides. It's not hard. We'll start with his position on the FMA, medical marijuana, and campaign finance "reform." Then we can get into his failure to take a tougher line on Syria, his lack of movement on helping Cuban refugees, his lack of movement on medical insurance reform, his continued support of some of the worst aspects of the VAWA, and more.
The difference for some of us appears to be that we don't expect to get everything we want from our officials--and that when we're at war, there's a duty we all have to help work toward victory, and to try our best to restrict our arguments to domestic matters or to give specific and constructive criticism of the war effort otherwise.
It's how I see things. Others don't. They disappoint me but there's nothing I can do about it.
James Dobson is a kind, good man. If you think there is something vile about him, you've never listened to him. Go to his Focus on the Family web site. I was born in Missouri. Show me this reputed vileness.
I'm sick of people slandering James Dobson, and I won't tolerate it any more.
Yours,
Wince