the fanatics follow their dying leader, the unelected president who now proclaims herself to be the leader, according to scripture, after taking hallocengenic drugs, to the promised land, while others try to hold onto what they have. The Cylons get their messiah now that the doc is a man, in a form of a daughter. Strange that it took killing another man in the back to defend a woman who was disobeying orders, to make the doc a man.
The cylons can set back now and watch the human race destroy itselfs with the infighting between those who choose to follow the "leader", and those who oppose her.
And everything will change when the old man wakes up!
And am I the only one who noticed that near the end, when Baltar and the Chief are at the antenna- Baltar is firing a pistol, but when he climbs up next to the Chief, he's carrying a rifle?
As for the crazy President: I must be the only non-religious rationalist who thinks that if some ancient scriptures seem like they have some encoded answers--you've already found an entire planet they said was there that they thought was mythical, for goodness sakes--it's not crazy to think that there may be other encoded answers in there.
I'm probably also the only who thinks that Presidents are allowed to be religious, even if they're fanatical about it. But then, that may have to do with the fact that by most modern standards, most US Presidents would qualifiy as religious fanatics.
Wake me when Roslin actually does something to endanger humanity. Otherwise I'm leading the rebellion with Zarek. :-)
Dean, I thought the mini-series was good, if for no other reason than it puts the series in perspective: why Galactica survives when the other Battlestars don't; why Balthar has his cylon "special friend"; why Adama and Apollo have such a strained relationship. And the nuclear apocolypse of the colonies is far more scary and realistic than the laser-show most other sci-fi series would have gone with.
As for what's next, if I knew that it wouldn't be half as good a series. But I'm putting money on Zarek making a move taking advantage of the situation.
Incidentally, Doc Cottle: best sci-fi doctor since Bones McCoy on Star Trek. Did you catch him putting out his cigarette just as he walked into surgery?
To be honest? I know that in reality---and this show's allegories to it are close---it gets darkest before dawn but aside from the rescue at Kobol, the first three episodes of this season have been bleak and there are no signs of it getting any less. It's almost a masochistic experience watching the show: painful but no less engaging. There seems to be no end in sight for the trials ahead and I wonder how long new audiences might be able to last watching Season 2 without watching the first. Heck, I found this last episode to be quite fatiguing to watch.
So, when are they going to update the number of survivors during the credits? It seems to me that they need a revolving counter, especially after the 2nd episode.
I think an episode needs to deal with replacements for the military, not just the pilots. The producers keep harping on the tension between the military and the civilians -- and doing a fine job at it. However, I figure a lot of people would be signing up, particularly the younger generations. We seemed to have gone through a lot of Marines lately, after all.
Steven: I listen regularly to Ron Moore's podcasts, and he has stated more than once that they actually keep track of all the deaths and update the counter in-house, and that you'll see it updated on the show on occasion.
You're right that it would be interesting to see them showing peole stepping up to be Marines, although frankly by my count they've lost only a handful of those and frankly they don't have a huge need for them. Your average Colonial Marine would spend 98% of his time doing nothing at all. They've only had one boots-on-the-ground fight with the Cylons so far. (Well two if you count the incident on Kobol, where no Marines were present.)
I don't think Roslin has done anything yet to endanger humanity, but her proclamation that she is now the "Leader", is earie. Some of the Gemini's who take a literal line on the scriptures, may become very fanatical. A true leader, never declares they are the leader, they rise to the top, and lead. A person who needs followers will declare themselves to be a leader, and they will find people,(sheep) to follow, and to drink the kool-aid.
Sorry I do not believe nor have any faith in so called hidden codes in scripture. Religion was and is the way for a select few, to control the many.
Tigh is a self destructive man, who does everything in his power to fail, while not actually acknowledging that is what he is doing.
Baltar picked up the rifle that the Chief had dropped, to fire the grenade launcher at the dish.
And why during this episode was there no story on what is happening on Caprica? The arrow? the baby?
Dean: :) Thanks for the tidbits. Interesting that they're so closely keeping track. I'm curious what the final casaulty count was for when the Cylons boarded. There were quite a few bodies, and several small actions heard in the background that ended with dying screams.
One thing I like about this series is that you should not get too attached to any characters. Sad, but very realistic.
Roslin is one of the most fascinating characters I've seen protrayed on TV in awhile. Is she doing this because she's lost it? Or to give humanity hope during its darkest trial? Cold calculation? Or a mix?
Anyway, I'm glad to have found a series that keeps my interest, makes me think, and entertains me without pushing any overt agenda on me. And Dean's World is one of the reasons I watch it and Firefly. Thanks for the heads up in Firefly.
I find it interesting that people just sort of assume Roslin's lost it, as if the religious belief can't be real and therefore if she believes it she's lost it.
This seems to be based on the assumption that faith is insanity.
The religious people I know who believe in miracles are not insane. I can talk with them at length about why I don't believe in miracles, and most of them can handle such a rational discussion without threatening to kill me or falling into gibbering insanity and smearing their feces on the wall.
Can Roslin simply be a believer? Does she have to be considered insane if she is one?
I'm more worried about Roslin's health than her sanity. She seems to be on to something, whether via divine inspiration or just a knack for reading truth from superstition.
The one thing that really bothers me with the season so far is the re-emergence of Tigh's drinking problem. Yeah, I know it's not a new development, but if they're not very careful it'll become a convenient excuse for an imporant character to do stupid, irrational stuff which just happens to advance the plot. Deus ex bottle. That'd be a serious disappointment for me.
I have no problem with Roslins belief in her religion. Did you catch the part about priests using a drug, and the request for that drug from the guard, who happens to be a Gemini?
My problem with roslin is not her religion, or her belief in her religion, it is that she has declared herself the leader, then had it verified by the council member from Gemini, and she only came to this leader discovery after having taken the drug the priests use. And she wants everyone to follow her on her quest across the galaxay to find the promised land!
Roslin is not simply a believer, for she has declared herself to be the leader, that is what we differ on Dean.
Did Jesus walk around declaring he was the son of god, or did he lead by example, and let his followers make up their own mind?
There are many subtle happenings and interactions in Battlestar Galatica, just as in real life. This is what has got me hooked.
Oh, and Tigh is an alcoholic. He always drinks when under stress. He functions well in a combat situation, but his boozing and self-loathing are always with him, and having to deal with political issues exacerbates the problem. Being manipulated by an arch-opportunist of a wife doesn't help any either.
It's not deus ex bottle when the character defines himself through the bottle.
Dean: there's (generally) no problem with religious faithful, but when your head of state starts claiming that they're a living embodiment of a specific holy prophecy, it's time to get worried...
If Bush started giving speeches wherein he claimed to be the Second Coming of Christ, I would call for his resignation ASAMFP... :)
But that's the cool thing about Moore's story line; for the first time in a long time a writer can introduce religious belief as a legitimate story element, instead of an example of credulous fools...
the fanatics follow their dying leader, the unelected president who now proclaims herself to be the leader, according to scripture, after taking hallocengenic drugs, to the promised land, while others try to hold onto what they have. The Cylons get their messiah now that the doc is a man, in a form of a daughter. Strange that it took killing another man in the back to defend a woman who was disobeying orders, to make the doc a man.
The cylons can set back now and watch the human race destroy itselfs with the infighting between those who choose to follow the "leader", and those who oppose her.
And everything will change when the old man wakes up!
Sloppy, guys. Real sloppy.
As for the crazy President: I must be the only non-religious rationalist who thinks that if some ancient scriptures seem like they have some encoded answers--you've already found an entire planet they said was there that they thought was mythical, for goodness sakes--it's not crazy to think that there may be other encoded answers in there.
I'm probably also the only who thinks that Presidents are allowed to be religious, even if they're fanatical about it. But then, that may have to do with the fact that by most modern standards, most US Presidents would qualifiy as religious fanatics.
Wake me when Roslin actually does something to endanger humanity. Otherwise I'm leading the rebellion with Zarek. :-)
Actually, I'm hoping they re-run the premiere after 8/13, when I get SciFi in hi-def.
I am waiting for the first season to come onto NetFlix
As for what's next, if I knew that it wouldn't be half as good a series. But I'm putting money on Zarek making a move taking advantage of the situation.
Incidentally, Doc Cottle: best sci-fi doctor since Bones McCoy on Star Trek. Did you catch him putting out his cigarette just as he walked into surgery?
I think an episode needs to deal with replacements for the military, not just the pilots. The producers keep harping on the tension between the military and the civilians -- and doing a fine job at it. However, I figure a lot of people would be signing up, particularly the younger generations. We seemed to have gone through a lot of Marines lately, after all.
You're right that it would be interesting to see them showing peole stepping up to be Marines, although frankly by my count they've lost only a handful of those and frankly they don't have a huge need for them. Your average Colonial Marine would spend 98% of his time doing nothing at all. They've only had one boots-on-the-ground fight with the Cylons so far. (Well two if you count the incident on Kobol, where no Marines were present.)
Sorry I do not believe nor have any faith in so called hidden codes in scripture. Religion was and is the way for a select few, to control the many.
Tigh is a self destructive man, who does everything in his power to fail, while not actually acknowledging that is what he is doing.
Baltar picked up the rifle that the Chief had dropped, to fire the grenade launcher at the dish.
And why during this episode was there no story on what is happening on Caprica? The arrow? the baby?
One thing I like about this series is that you should not get too attached to any characters. Sad, but very realistic.
Roslin is one of the most fascinating characters I've seen protrayed on TV in awhile. Is she doing this because she's lost it? Or to give humanity hope during its darkest trial? Cold calculation? Or a mix?
Anyway, I'm glad to have found a series that keeps my interest, makes me think, and entertains me without pushing any overt agenda on me. And Dean's World is one of the reasons I watch it and Firefly. Thanks for the heads up in Firefly.
This seems to be based on the assumption that faith is insanity.
The religious people I know who believe in miracles are not insane. I can talk with them at length about why I don't believe in miracles, and most of them can handle such a rational discussion without threatening to kill me or falling into gibbering insanity and smearing their feces on the wall.
Can Roslin simply be a believer? Does she have to be considered insane if she is one?
The one thing that really bothers me with the season so far is the re-emergence of Tigh's drinking problem. Yeah, I know it's not a new development, but if they're not very careful it'll become a convenient excuse for an imporant character to do stupid, irrational stuff which just happens to advance the plot. Deus ex bottle. That'd be a serious disappointment for me.
My problem with roslin is not her religion, or her belief in her religion, it is that she has declared herself the leader, then had it verified by the council member from Gemini, and she only came to this leader discovery after having taken the drug the priests use. And she wants everyone to follow her on her quest across the galaxay to find the promised land!
Roslin is not simply a believer, for she has declared herself to be the leader, that is what we differ on Dean.
Did Jesus walk around declaring he was the son of god, or did he lead by example, and let his followers make up their own mind?
There are many subtle happenings and interactions in Battlestar Galatica, just as in real life. This is what has got me hooked.
Roslin believes to be fulfilling the part of a political Messiah, not a spiritual one.
Re: the body count, in ep 202 it was:
47,874
and in 203:
47,862
that's 12 dead, possibly including Socinus.
It's not deus ex bottle when the character defines himself through the bottle.
re: Balthar and the rifle.
He picks one up during the fight.
Ok?
:)
Dean: there's (generally) no problem with religious faithful, but when your head of state starts claiming that they're a living embodiment of a specific holy prophecy, it's time to get worried...
If Bush started giving speeches wherein he claimed to be the Second Coming of Christ, I would call for his resignation ASAMFP... :)
But that's the cool thing about Moore's story line; for the first time in a long time a writer can introduce religious belief as a legitimate story element, instead of an example of credulous fools...