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Islamic Changes

Something seems to be in the air. First, Penny Wit sends me a fascinating Martin Shram column from January 2005. The whole thing is worth reading from start to finish but the opening paragraphs, containing his predictions for 2005, tell the tale:

The big story will be that 2005 was the year of Islam vs. Islam.

It will be a year of Islamic conflicts that will erupt explosively in various ways around the planet. Islamic fundamentalist militants, moderates, monarchs, military and non-military autocrats who are fundamentalist and not-so-fundamentalist will clash in Saudi Arabia, the now-forming Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and to varying degrees in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. These will be clashes of ideology, militancy and just plain power-grabbing, local politics style.

Hot on the heels of that link came a note from Crossroads Arabia's John Burgess, which noted a recent document published on MEMRI, a site devoted to translating Arabic-language media for Western audiences. While MEMRI has taken criticism for being agenda-driven and focusing only on the most negative and inflammatory of materials, this particular item simply demands attention. It is a report originally written in Arabic, by muslims from the region. It contains recommendations put before the United Nations legal and security councils. In rather bald terms, the report, in short, recommends:

Europe Must Change its Lenient Treatment of Muslim Extremists

Incitement on the Internet Must Be Stopped

Arab Intellectuals Must Stop Speaking in Two Voices

The Terrorists Must Be Separated from Their Sympathizers

Muslims Must Denounce the Terrorists; The West Must Stop Being Naive

Muslims Must Ban Suicide Bombings for Moral Reasons

The Religious Institutions Must Take Practical Measures Against the Terrorists

The Muslims Must Form a New Religious Culture

The Silent Majority Must Speak Out Against the Terrorists

The War on Terrorism Requires Extensive Intellectual, Political and Educational Activity

Again, these are recommendations written in Arabic, by muslims, for and about muslims. You can read a complete translation on MEMRI's site.

On the same day as all this, Aziz Poonawalla dropped me a line to let me know he'd completed his latest Brass Crescent link roundup of recent muslim blogging, which as it happens has more than one item in it discussing this very topic from multiple angles.

This on top of that fascinating item from the Arab News I ran yesterday (see "If you want to catch a fish..." below).

Makes you wonder about that whole Jungian "collective unconscious" thing, doesn't it? Honestly, I've been feeling lately like something's got to give on this soon.

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Mike "Veeshir" Fisher (mail):
While MEMRI has taken criticism for being agenda-driven and focusing only on the most negative and inflammatory of materials, this particular item simply demands attention.

You could insert "LGF" for "MEMRI" and have the exact same sentence.

I would just like to note that the linked article does just the opposite, focus on positive and ameliorating materials. Why did you, Dean, highlight it? Because Muslims saying, in Arabic, that aiding and abetting terrorism is bad is so rare, or because MEMRI highlighting positive articles is so rare? I would bet the first as both LGF and MEMRI try to accentuate the positive when they can.

If MEMRI and LGF had more positive material they would post it. LGF will occasionally highlight something from a "moderate Muslim" only to discover that he ain't so moderate and have to update the post.

Discounting MEMRI and LGF because of supposedly being "agenda driven" annoys me. The, "If you can't disprove what they're saying, discredit them" school of debate annoys me. I'm not accusing you, Dean, of that, but whenever somebody puts that caveat into the description of LGF or MEMRI they are caving in.
As Allah said, whenever you see somebody called "moderate", search on MEMRI and LGF and marvel at what you find. That's not because they hate Muslims or Arabs, it's because they are attempting to remove exactly the cover that the report identifies Arab Intellectuals Must Stop Speaking in Two Voices

Don't blame the messenger, blame the people who perpetuate it, just as the report suggests.
7.29.2005 10:38am
Dean Esmay:
Okay, so here's a little quiz: how many items on the Pakistani Rosa Parks appeared on LGF that didn't spin it as an attack on the people of the region rather than proof of progress?

How many positive items on Al Jazeera and its anti-terrorism and pro-democracy coverage has LGF run? Or its status as the only independent broadcast voice that questions Arabic dictators in Arabic?

How many items on the Free Muslims Coalition has LGF run?

How many Arab News articles siding with Blair and Bush has LGF cited?

Has LGF ever once posted about the enormous thirst for democracy and secularization found in the Arab muslim world?

Why is it that I don't even have to try very hard and I find these things?
7.29.2005 11:04am
Mike "Veeshir" Fisher (mail):
Okay,

I couldn't find anything on there about Mukhtar Mai, but when I googled "Pakistani Rosa Parks" to find out other search terms I did find this link to your site with a link, in the first comment, to his site about riots in response to the rapes. So obviously I didn't find all the stories in my searches. Also note that Joe Katzman found a 'good news' story on the very day

Nothing I remember on the second, Charles calls them JihadTV so I'm pretty sure he doesn't like them. A search for Al Jazeera is 160 hits, most of which don't appear to be complimentary.

Free Muslim Coalition, not many, but they're obviously supportive.

Arab news, he obviously doesn't like them, a search on his site gets you lots of hits that begin with, Arab News hits bottom, digs but I did find this. I stopped looking at the hundreds of hits but I'm sure there are more.

Has LGF ever once posted about the enormous thirst for democracy and secularization found in the Arab muslim world?

I had to go back more than a week for this on pro-democracy riots in Yemen, I found this looking for something else. He's also posted on Lebabon a bunch of times. I'm not going to keep searching for other links, your question was "ever once", I found twice and could find more if I felt like it, most obviously about Lebanon.

I'll accept part of your point, he doesn't go too far out of his way to highlight the positive, but he does do it.

I still don't accept bashing LGF for merely highlighting the truth. Charles doesn't make stuff up, he obviously doesn't paint as rosy a picture as you would like, but he does perform a valuable service and shouldn't be attacked for that.

I also wasn't really trying to attack you, Dean, in my comment. I just dislike the 'necessary' caveats about LGF and MEMRI as if they are racists who want to kill all Muslims and you have to force people to take them seriously.

I'll ignore lots of sites, but I can also point you to exactly the post or series of posts that make me ignore that site. Attacks on LGF are usually of the "He's a racist" variety with no proof, because really, "you shouldn't need any proof."
7.29.2005 12:29pm
John_B (mail) (www):
MEMRI is run by Colonel Yigal Carmon, who used to work for Israeli military intelligence. That's okay... he's got a right.

MEMRI, although a 301(c)3 organization which pays no US taxes, refuses to divulge its sources of income. That's okay, too, as 501(c)3 corporations aren't required to reveal their sources of income. But because it's run by a former intelligence officer of a foreign country, some legitimately wonder about that.

It works secretively, choosing not to provide phone numbers and actual office addresses. This may be for legimimate security concerns. Let's just say it's chosen not to be transparent in its funding or staffing.

MEMRI does selectively choose outrageous statements made by Arabs that appear in Arab media. That's okay... they made the statements and they deserve to be identified as idiots and bigots.

Until recently, MEMRI never pointed out anything a moderate or a liberal reformer wrote. Because it was getting complaints for being so one-sided, it started to pick up occasional pieces showing another side of the issues, rolling it into a "Reform Project". It now publishes pieces that support secular reform--but not Islamic reform. It doesn't actually seek to reflect the totality of regional media, but that's not their mission. That's okay, it's meeting its own goals, not mine.

MEMRI is not a lobbying organization. At least it's not registered as a lobby. But it does send daily e-mails to every member of Congress--and Congressional staffs--highlighting what it wants highlighted. Perhaps those e-mails are deleted unread; we can't really know. We can tell, however, that they're often cited by Congressmen, so they must have some readers. It clearly has some influence on policy discussions. That's okay, too... perfectly legal. It's highly effective, too.

MEMRI achieves its goal, which is to make Arabs look as bad as possible, while still retaining credibility.

It used to have a public mission statement that read, “In its research, the institute puts emphasis on the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel.” (source). That sentence been deleted from its current statement of mission. Perhaps that's no longer one of its goals.

MEMRI certainly does not translate extremist articles appearing in the Israeli media. That's definitely not their mission. But because no one is currently doing that, unless we happen to read Hebrew those articles are invisible and therefore don't exist. By being limited to selective quotation, it's easy to assume there's only one side to the issues.

What MEMRI does not do is produce an accurate picture of what is going on in the Middle East. It's not interested in doing that; it's not funded to do that. What it is doing is not "bad." I don't condemn it. I just say you need to understand where they are coming from when you read what they choose to republish.

It'd be nice if someone could do a real and regular overview of exactly what is appearing in Middle Eastern media--all languages, all countries. But no one is standing there with an open checkbook to actually fund such an endeavor. We're stuck with partial views of a very complicated landscape. As long as we're aware that we're dealing with incomplete information, MEMRI is truly useful. But we need to keep its own agenda in mind as we read its products.
7.29.2005 1:04pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I've always supported MEMRI and Little Green Footballs ever since the beginning of this War. They can always be counted on to tell the truth, i.e., that we are at War for our very survival. They dare to expose the nature of the Enemy we are fighting. One of the first rules in warfare is "know your enemy". MEMRI and LGF do not allow the Enemy to put on a mask of "moderate" and "Religion of Peace" while speaking to us, but "kill the infidel!" when speaking among themselves. The Politically Correct, the subversives and traitors within our midst, smear MEMRI and LGF as Evil Politically Incorrect Zionist Western Imperialist Warmongers and even as "racists" because they dare to tell America the truth. I am proud to be an Evil Politically Incorrect Zionist Western Imperialist Warmonger. As for "racist", I'll wear that smear as a badge of honor, too. Totalitarian Islam is not a "race" but an ideology, and I have never heard Charles Johnson nor any other pro-Westerner or War-blogger speak of a Muslim "race". It's a lie.
7.29.2005 1:48pm
John_B (mail) (www):
There certainly is a "totalitarian Islam." The point that seems to keep being missed is that the majority of Muslims are not totalitarians. They're ordinary people who want to live ordinary lives. Letting the atrocities committed by less than 1% of the total define our treatment of the 99.9% is not helpful. It's just easy, non-thinking, knee-jerk reaction.
7.29.2005 3:28pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Any Muslim who is not 100% on the side of America and the West is 100% on the side of the terrorists, is 100% our enemy, and must be dealt with as such. And any non-Muslim who appeases our Muslim enemies has either been asleep since 9/10/2001, is cravenly caving in to Political Correctness, or is himself on the side of the enemy. We are at War and we must fight to win. Our very survival is at stake.
7.29.2005 4:57pm
Aziz (mail) (www):
two brief notes:

regarding MEMRI, if you want a more balanced assessment of Arab media, you shoudl be reading Abu Aardvark. Daily. And not just for the Nancy Haifa and Jumana Nimour coverage, either.

second, I guess according to SMA's stark criteria, I'm the enemy. Come and get me.
7.29.2005 5:39pm
John_B (mail) (www):
Yep... SMA's got a lot of Americans he's going to need to kill. Is it okay if I disagree with a Clintonesque America, or can I disagree with a Bushite America? Is Reaganesque okay? How about Lincolnesque? Tell me which America I need to support 100% in order to avoid the SMA vengeance squads, please... my very survival is at stake!

Demanding a standard Americans don't even apply to themselves is really pretty weird, you know. Actually, if pretty damn far off the edge of reality.
7.29.2005 6:37pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
John B.:

Are you a member of "the reality-based community"?
7.29.2005 7:19pm
John_B (mail) (www):
That phrase is so meaningless that I won't rise to the bait.

I will say I've voted exclusively for Republican candidates since RMN's first election.
7.29.2005 11:07pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
John B. wrote:
"I will say I've voted exclusively for Republican candidates since RMN's first election."

That's good!

As to "reality-based community," I'm proud to say I'm a myth-based egoist.

Aziz:

I will restrain myself from saying what I think of I suspect you are, by your own words. I stand by every word I wrote.
7.30.2005 8:23pm
Aziz (mail) (www):

SMA, spare us the histrionics. I'm an American patriot, not a George W Bush sycophant as I'd be if I tried to meet your absurdist "100%" standard.

I'm 100% with my nation - not with you. You're no patriot, sir. You're a jingo.
7.30.2005 8:43pm
Aziz (mail) (www):

oh, and by the way - I'm in the 56% majority.


PRINCETON, NJ — A new Gallup Poll finds a decline in George W. Bush’s job approval rating. After standing at 49% approval in the prior two CNN/USA Today/Gallup polls conducted this month, now just 44% of Americans say they approve of Bush, a new low mark for the president. The poll also shows a drop in Bush’s favorable rating to 48%, which is the first time it has dropped below 50% since Gallup began tracking this opinion in 1999. Four in 10 Americans are satisfied with the way things are going in the country, which is essentially unchanged from early July. The poll shows continued positive momentum for the Democratic Party in terms of national party identification and ratings of the two major political parties, both of which were evident before the drop in Bush approval occurred.
7.31.2005 12:12am
maor (mail):
I don't know what the fuss about MEMRI is.
I looked at headlines for a random date, and I don't see any negative trend. It seems to be normal news topics: Al-Qaeda, Iraq, government policy, etc. Several headlines look positive.

ISLAMIST INTERNET SITES QUOTED BIN LADEN THAT THE DEADLINE FOR A TRUCE EUROPE HAS EXPIRED, AND THREATENED THE EUROPEANS WITH 'A BLOODY WAR UNTIL YOU RETURN TO YOUR SENSES.' HE THREATENED ITALY WITH TORRENTS OF BLOOD. BIN LADEN CALLED ON THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES NOT TO SUPPORT AMERICA OR 'THE VULGAR AND LEADER OF ATHEISM BUSH.' (AL-WATAN, QATAR, 7/30/04)

THE 'FEDAYOON [MARTYRS] OF QADDAFI' THREATENED TO KILL ANYONE WHO RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE IN LIBYA IN THE 70S OF SENIOR LEBANESE SHI'ITE CLERIC AYATOLLAH MUSSA AL-SADR. (AL-SHARQ AL-AWSAT, LONDON, 7/30/04)

IRAQI DEFENSE MINISTER HAZEM AL-SHA'LAN ANNOUNCED THAT HIS COUNTRY HAS DECIDED TO BEGIN NEGOTIATING WITH THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT ABOUT RETURNING THE AIRCRAFT SMUGGLED INTO IRAN BY THE PREVIOUS REGIME. (AL-SHARQ AL-AWSAT, LONDON, 7/30/04)

SAUDI ARABIA COMPLETED THE PLANS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE OF THE FIRST OFFICIAL HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE, IN PREPARATION FOR ITS ESTABLISHMENT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. A NON-GOVERNMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE HAS STARTED ITS ACTIVITIES RECENTLY. (AL-WATAN, SAUDI ARABIA, 7/29/04)

THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES LEGISLATED NEW LAWS TO COMBAT TERRORISM, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPOSING THE DEATH PENALTY ON ANYONE WHO 'ESTABLISHES, ORGANIZES OR CONTRIBUTES TO ANY INSTITUTION OR GROUP FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMITTING TERROR ACTS.' (AL-SHARQ, QATAR, 7/29/04)

BOSNIA'S DEFENSE MINISTER ANNOUNCED THAT 50 BOSNIAN SOLDIERS VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO IRAQ FOR THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF REMOVING MINES. (AL-WATAN, QATAR, 7/29/04)

MEMBERS OF THE CALEDONIAN COMMUNITY IN IRAQ DEMONSTRATED IN THE NORTHERN CITY OF IRBIL TO PROTEST AGAINST THE REGIONAL AND CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS FOR 'IGNORING' THEM. (AL-WATAN, QATAR, 7/29/04)
7.31.2005 9:06am
maor (mail):
Besides, a lot of Americans who get in the news did so by doing something bad. "Normal" people get in the news less. There's nothing unfair about reporting cases of incitement to terror in the Arab world and not reporting falafel sales.
7.31.2005 9:10am
John_B (mail) (www):
Falafal (or tamayya) sales certainly don't need coverage. But actions by Arab states in quashing terror and terror supporters is rather worthy of noting. Editorials that condemn terror and terror supporters should at least be mentioned, even if there are more colorful examples of anti-Semitism, bigotry, incitement to violence, etc. MEMRI does purport to "bridge the language gap between the Middle East and the West." That mission does imply something other than one-sided coverage.

As I've said, though, MEMRI is now reporting some more positive stories. For the first five years of it existence (i.e., until 2003) it carried negative stories exclusively.

I welcome the change, but still caution that you need to consider your sources, particularly when they self-identify with a particular political point of view. But that goes for all media, all the time.
7.31.2005 11:17pm
maor (mail):
BTW, how do you define "positive stories"?
When Arabs condemn Arab extremism, it can be considered negative ("Even Arabs agree that there's an Arab threat!"). When Arabs praise Arab extremism, it's also negative ("Incitement!")
I have no doubt that if MEMRI translated Israeli extreme right-wing articles (as you suggested), it would be considered propagation of extreme right-wing Zionist propaganda (i.e. anti-Arab).
8.1.2005 11:20am