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Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy.

When Conservatives Marry Liberals

Here's a link to a story about Conservative cartoons (hat tip Instapundit), "Laughing at the Left". The article goes beyond cartoons and makes some important points about the ideological divide. Take for instance this quote:

(Chris "Day By Day") Muir’s girlfriend, the primary model for one of his characters, “is a total liberal.” As it happens, the same holds true for Mallard (Fillmore) creator (Bruce) Tinsley, whose wife is a civil rights lawyer. There’s perhaps a lesson here. “It’s a funny thing,” Tinsley says. “All her liberal friends are incredulous that our marriage works, but none of my conservative friends have any trouble with it at all. They understand you can think differently about things and still be civil to one another.”

One of my favorite quotes about civility comes from President Gerald Ford "We can disagree without being disagreeable." It's a value to live by - most of the time. I'm a firm believer that it only works when your opponent holds the same value: when he doesn't you must roll up your sleeves and open up a can of Ann Coulter on their ass. That said, I too live in a "Matlin - Carville" marriage.

Part of it could be the old adage that "opposites attract" - or in New Age speak "my yang yearns for her yin" (hmm... that doesn't read right). When we met 15 years ago she loved the Grateful Dead while I held them in complete Hardcore Punk contempt (and still do. If I ever end up in Guantanamo I expect I'll hear "Wake Of the Flood" and "American Beauty" until I cracked - which I reckon would take all of 15 minutes). When Jerry Garcia died my first response was "How did they notice?"

There are serious benefits to a Liberal/Conservative marriage. First and foremost it keeps both of us from the extremes. If she comes home with some barking moonbat piece of tripe, I can usually shoot it down before she has wasted too much time on it or worse, come to believe it herself. Likewise I can sound an idea or an opinion off her and get her candid take on it before going public with it - thereby applying a level of rigor to what might otherwise have been a stupid idea or opinion. Secondly we can intellectually spar with one another, thereby keeping our ideas fresh and perhaps even (gasp) changing them. Finally, when we're together we can handle issues and situations using our different perspectives. Because of her liberal nature she can be much more open with salesmen than I can be. If the salesman takes advanatage of her openness, I can step in and bitch-slap him into submission without any regard for his feelings or the validity of his opinions. Needless to say the "Good cop - Bad cop" routine comes in quite handy when dealing with disputes with retailers and service providers.

Then there's parenting. Here the roles flip: I'm as free with money for The Kid as the Carter Administration was with taxpayer money for welfare moms. The Wife, on the other hand, is the motherly personification of the Graham-Rudman Act. Ever had to justify buying a $3 pack of Yu-gi-oh cards for a kid that already has hundreds? I have. With a Daddy Decision The Kid always knows there is the Mommy Court of Appeals - and she is all too happy to exercise her judicial perogative and overturn my decisions. Mommy establishes precedent and there is a strong stare decisis in The House. Daddy, being the liberal parent he is, has no sense of the importance of precedent so often finds himself overruled.

There is a definite positive dynamic in our family that is based on our differences and it works for us. I am sure all relationships don't have to be of the "Matlin - Carville" type to be successful, but the article points out some interesting reasons why such relationships are more stable than you might expect. It also makes some important points about humor - but I'll have to leave that for another time.

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Dean Esmay:
My wife and I disagree on all kinds of things and have all sorts of different interests. We sometimes argue loudly, but we're one of those couples who can do that and get overy it.

The interesting thing is that I tend to get mad at things that she just finds amusing. On the other hand there are some things that get her worked up and upset that I stay utterly unruffled at.

Hey, it works for us.

The funny thing is, politically, most of the things we agree completely on are things that would have been considered the "liberal" position 20 or 30 years ago.
7.28.2005 1:14pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
One thing I didn't mention is that I believe you need to have a core set of values in common. We are both patriots with a strong belief in the primacy of the family in American life. However she's still a hippy at heart.
7.28.2005 1:28pm
John_B (mail) (www):
Dean,

Just curious how you put the origin of the statement in Pres. Ford's mouth...

Googling it, I find Barak Obama crediting Sen. Paul Simon. Some credit Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Personally, I credit my mother, who cautioned her kids in the same words.

Is there an actual source for this widely-quoted aphorism, or did it just come about from many sources over much time?
7.28.2005 2:23pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
John_B
I wrote the piece.
Ford is credited with saying it in his 1977 State of the Union speech here.
7.28.2005 2:32pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Read the titles of their blogs and you will see that Dean is a Liberal ("Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy") while the the Queen in a Conservative ("If conservatism is evil, then she's the Queen!"). He is professedly an atheist (though not an anti-theist) while she is a Catholic.

I admire Dean
For marrying the Queen.

I admire the Queen
For marrying Dean.

That's the way it should be in my opinion. In a heterosexual marriage, it is fitting that the woman should be the more Conservative, as the letters in the word "Conservative" are so feminine, so encircling, so captivating.

Way back in junior high school when I was a socialist, my father (a Liberal) once jestingly predicted something about "your Conservative wife" -- and the idea of such a thing was just unthinkable to me at the time. Now, especially ever since 9/11/2001, I have been moving so far to the Right on many spectra that, at this point, it would be hard for me to find a woman more reactionary than I am. She would have to be extremely, excruciatingly dogmatic.

Conservative Lesbian Individualist Theology....

Holy Dawn and her holy Negro wife Norma (Conservative) vs. wicked Wanda (Liberal)....
7.28.2005 4:42pm
Cynical Nation (mail) (www):
I'm married to a liberal, and the experience has been mostly positive. I think we do have a tendency to moderate one another as you point out. One thing that's interestingly different, however, is that in my marriage, it's my wife who's the hardass when it comes to salesmen and annoying people, not me. :-)
7.28.2005 5:18pm
Timothy Snyder:
In most marriages, the women tend to be the liberal ones...why is that? Because women tend to have better instincts about right and wrong than men do. Women are truly smarter than men on this issue - thankfully, both my wife and I are flaming liberals, we agree on most issues, but still manage to disagree enough to keep us from being robots.
7.28.2005 7:56pm
Deborah White (mail) (www):
I married a moderate conservative and slowly educated him over to being a moderate liberal. :)
7.28.2005 9:50pm
triticale (mail) (www):
My wee wifey is more conservative politically than I am. She is a Charismatic Calvinist where I am a vague Deist. She is more militant about gun rights than I am, altho less interested in them as objects. She is also more heavily pierced and tattooed than I am.
7.29.2005 1:04am
Sean Kinsell (mail) (www):
SMA:
"Now, especially ever since 9/11/2001, I have been moving so far to the Right on many spectra that, at this point, it would be hard for me to find a woman more reactionary than I am. She would have to be extremely, excruciatingly dogmatic."

Well, let us know when you find her, buddy--there's got to be a woman who can rein you in out there somewhere. :)
7.29.2005 1:48am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
There must be a name for attraction to someone of a different or opposite religious and/or political orientation. I'll have to think out what it might be. Did Kraft-Ebing cover it?
7.29.2005 5:17am
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
The reason younger Republicans/right-of-centre types go out with leftie women is that they put out. Its a fairly simple reason.

As I get older I find it harder and harder to take female who are left-wingers. Doubt I could ever go out with one again.
7.29.2005 6:56am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
In his "Periodic Table of Perversions" (in his Smut: Erotic Reality/Obscene Ideology), Murray S. Davis lists, under the heading of various types of forbidden "exophilia", "sectiphilia" (sex outside of one's own sect or religion). But we still have no name for sex outside of one's own political sector or quadrant. Hmmm....
7.29.2005 7:50am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Andrew Ian Dodge makes an interesting point. I have heard elsewhere that Left-Wing women are more "open" while Right-Wing women are more attractive. I have often seen this observation, although I have known some Left-Wing women who were quite attractive as well. I would love to do a study of it: Which type of women are sexier -- women who identify themselves as Right or women who identify themselves as Left? And, are blondes more inclined to the Right, brunettes to the Left? Redheads? Hmmm.... I would love to find out.
7.29.2005 8:03am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Sean Kinsell:

Very good. On behalf of the Queen of All Evil and her two Princes, I say: Thank you!
7.29.2005 8:13am
Tim_the Soldier (mail):
"The reason younger Republicans/right-of-centre types go out with leftie women is that they put out."

Yes they do.
7.29.2005 12:57pm