Bomb Blasts In Egypt: Terrroists Crap Where They Eat
Dean
So there's been a devastating series of terrorist attacks in Egypt.
Al Qaeda and related groups are increasingly being forced to crap where they eat--in Iraq, in Saudi Arabia, in Lebanon, in Egypt. They occasionally manage to make minor strikes in the West but their most devastating attacks since 9/11 have been in Arab lands.
Of course, no one ever said that flypaper ever catches 100% of all flies. Anyone who thinks so is just a fool. And anyone who thinks that we are now 100% safe from terrorism just because we're fighting them on their home turf is just an idiot.
But it's increasingly clear that most international terrorist groups lack the reach they once had, and are growing increasingly more desperate.
Too bad the fascist apologists and fascist sympathizers here in the West still can't see common sense on that.
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When someone takes a poll in the UK and learns that 25 percent -- or whatever it was -- of the muslims in that country sympathize or even empathize with the terrorist zombiepaks who set off those bombs in the London subway, then the time has come to recognize the lot of them as actual or seriously potential threats to the public safety of the realm.
Then follow up with a serious national policy of dissolving all the islamic centers in the country involved in the terrorism or encouraging it. Follow this up with expulsions of the followers of islam, to whatever degree needed to restore public safety in a country in which under traditional circumstances, it was not even necessary to issue deadly weapons to police officers.
Chances are we may want to rethink public policy about all this in the United States as well. I would consider expulsion from the territory of the United States of any person involved in terrorism of the type we are now seeing. Moreover, I would write in a constitituonal provision revoking citizenshim of such people and simply exiling them in whatever numbers necessary to restore the status quo ante.
Where would the exiles go if they found nobody who wanted them?
-- Whatever shore onto which the ships and helicopters of the United States Navy chose to maroon them. -- Or onto whatever miserable desert the transport aircraft of the United States Air Force were ordered to land long enough to through them out through the cargo door.
In either case, they would be left with a two-week supply of food, water, tent shelters, and two-way radios that would enable them to contact the local authorities.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb
What in hell do you think is going on here, man? We are in the middle of a world war. Just as vicious as the one we fought against german Nazis, italian Fascists and Japanese imperialists 60-65 years ago. Even if the weapons now are religiously-indoctrinated suicide bombers and other related varieties of traditional middle eastern hashashin, rather than fleets of B-17 "Flying Fortresses".
If they cannot be destroyed in their London, New York, Los Angeles, Detroit or other rat-holes before they emerge with belts of semtex and other high explosives wired around their waists, or with backpack bombs designed to be fired by cellphone calls, how long do you imagine we will have civil life of any type in the great cities of the western world?
And if you have a more potent and sure means of cleaning all our communities of this menace, I think we would all like to hear you spell it out.
Because right now, everything else that has been attempted in this war has failed. The Muslims are the ones carrying out their terror in the streets of Madrid, Amsterdam, London, New York and Washington. And barring some major change in the calculus of war, there will be more of the same. Because they are winning and because they know they are winning.
I say again. Remove them now. Expel them now. We need to know that ordinary persons boarding with us an ordinary train, bus or civil air transport aircraft, or sitting nearby in a crowded restaurant, is not a member of secret army of zombies dedicated to the death and destruction of non-Muslims. Otherwise, civil life and all our crowded and carefully-built up centers of population, will dissolve into a red, raw madness of fear, death, chaos, and the end of our civilization.
They cannot be argued with. They cannot be bought off. They cannot be placated. They can only be killed or removed to a place where they can do us no harm.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
I work with muslims every day. My personal physician is a muslim. Of them I know only one who is vaguely sympathetic to the terrorists, only in that he is a callow young man who draws moral equivalencies between America's armed forces and the terrorists--as so many stupid mush-headed non-muslim lefties I know do (and there are whole legions of these idiots in Ann Arbor, not to mention places like Berkeley and Madison). Meanwhile most muslims in America are living the American dream, starting small businesses and getting jobs and providing for their families.
My perspective is obviously influenced by the fact that I live in one of the areas of America where Arab muslims are concentrated. The Detroit metro area has probably a million or more such people in it. I admit to being worried in the months after 9/11 that some of them would go nuts--but so far our body count here in Michigan from terrorist attacks by Arabist or muslim fanatics remains pegged at zero, some four years after 9/11.
I will say this much: anti-muslim sentiment such as some of you express does seem to serve a purpose. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 many muslims turned inward and pointed fingers and accusations at America, accusing us of racism, bigotry, etc.. As terrorism has hit more and more people of the free world, not to mention more and more innocent muslims in the Arab world, more and more of them here at home have started to realize that saying, "hey, I'm not a terrorist, don't accuse me of that" just isn't good enough, and that they need to take a stand and pick a side. What I find ironic is that just when we're starting to see more and more of them taking a stand for the forces of freedom and firmly against their own lunatic element, hostility toward them is increasing.
So maybe this anti-muslim stance some of you take serves a purpose.
Arnold &SMA: I wouldn't call you fascists. But I would call you panicked and hysterical.
Terrorism is a problem, yes, as is fundamentalist Islam. The threat of nuclear terrorism is particularly worrying. But that's all it is - a threat.
Comparing it with the growth of totalitarianism in the first half of the 20th century is absurd. Unlike Nazism or Stalinism, terrorism can do nothing without fear.
Fears like yours, ironically enough, are what empowers terrorism to "work."
Do you imagine people like me and SMA are responding to this growing and spreading epidemic in terrorism simply because we are bigoted against Arabs, Pakistanis, or practitioners of Islam, and hope to use this as a propaganda mechanism to smash them or drive them out of this country or the United Kingdom?
Speaking for myself at least, I couldn't care less about religion. To me, the theology of Islam is no more valid or invalid than that of Catholicism, the various protestant churches, orthodox Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, the various religious faiths of India, or even the pagan beliefs of ancient Europe.
As for the Arabs, I had daily contacts with a lot more of them in Jerusalem than Dean has ever had in metropolitan Detroit. There was no such terrorism then, and I got along with them just fine. Or maybe what the Israelis periodically went through on account of them didn't enter my consciousness the way it does now.
But the point is, they are all starting to shake up the lives of hundreds of millions of people who are not Arabs, Pakistanis or othr Muslims. With that is growing a kind of dull hatred that just won't go away. And along with that, the determination either to break up their slave empire or to render our countries of the West impregnable to their threats, their obvious hatred of us, and their chances to hurt us, our families, our communities, our civilization.
I sure as hell will not apologize for that. Our people obviously are at war with their people. We cannot count on them to stand with us, because that would mean them becoming traitors to the interests of their own people.
I can only imagine that any Arab, Pakistani or other Muslim who turns against his or her own kind to stand with the West against his or her brothers and sisters in Islam, is judged by them the same way our lips curl up in disgust when we learn of an American traitor like Lyndh, who joined the Muslims to fight us.
For me, and for a lot of people like me, there can be no trust whatsoever unless we are absolutely certain of the fundamental loyalties of the man or women we are asked or compelled to trust. And anyone in this country who cannot be trusted to live and act like a true American, I don't want here at all. This is vital both in time of peace as well as time of war. But that lack of a reason for trust, in time of war, means that the enemy will beat us by using that itself as a strategic weapon.
Because like it or not, Fortress America, in the end, is all we shall ever have. And that fortress is now threatened by an unknown number of people owing partial or complete allegiance to a culture of permanent enslavement of mankind, hiding among and possibly protected by, others of their own kind residing among us.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
No, they are not _all_ doing any such thing. And I dare say that the criminals, fascists, and terrorists in the world have created as much chaos for Muslims as for any other group -- if not more.
Again, your argument is not one of boldness but of panic. The vast majority of Muslims are innocent of wrongdoing, but you would punish them. The citizens of Israel (&, for that matter, England) have lived with this fear for decades, yet they have never exiled Muslims or Arabs en masse -- they continue, in fact, to allow citizenship for all. That you would want the United States to do such a shameful thing bewilders me.
I think it important to try to see the present calamity in a true perspective. The war creates no absolutely new situation: it simply aggravates the permanent human situation so that we can no longer ignore it. Human life has always been lived on the edge of a precipice. Human culture has always had to exist under the shadow of something infinitely more important than itself. If men had postponed the search for knowledge and beauty until they were secure, the search would never have begun....
The insects have chosen a different line: they have sought first the material welfare and security of the hive, and presumably they have their reward. Men are different. They propound mathematical theorems in beleaguered cities, conduct metaphysical arguments in condemned cells, make jokes on scaffolds, discuss the latest new poem while advancing to the walls of Quebec, and comb their hair at Thermopylae. This is not panache: it is our nature.
After 9/11, Stephen Jay Gould said of the efforts to repair the infrastructure and bury the thousands of dead at the World Trade Center:
Complex systems can only be built step by step, whereas destruction requires but an instant. Thus, in what I like to call the Great Asymmetry, every spectacular incident of evil will be balanced by 10,000 acts of kindness, too often unnoted and invisible as the "ordinary" efforts of a vast majority
Without those ordinary efforts, human life would immediately plunge over the precipice. The Left's belief that we should learn to tolerate terrorist slaughter of our friends and relatives, that we should not respond to this abhorrence with anger or retribution also pushes us closer to that edge.
We all have the ability to commit terrorist acts, we all have the ability to murder many of our fellow civilians. We drive cars, we carry zippo lighters, we buy drano; We're all capable of committing terrorist atrocities, yet we choose not to do this, because if we did, the trust that our society needs to function would be destroyed.
Terrorism, like cannibalism and incest, is an abhorrence in every society, because terrorism ultimately destroys the trust that is the structure of societies. Societies that tolerate terrorism and terrorists are a mess. Look at the Palestinians.
When the primitive tribes of the Amazon wage wars, they don't kill noncombatants and they don't target just anybody, because they know that terrorism, like the impulse to make a soup out of your neighbor, is an impulse that has to be denied for the good of society. Often, it seems that many "tolerant" Western Leftists lack the wisdom that the tribes of the Amazon posess.
That is what the enemy Islamicists have been doing to us in Spain, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and with other targets, the United States.
It absolutely would not be shameful to expel from our country any follower of their preachings whom our police authorities judged other than trustworthy to be left in place.
Nor do I want citizens of the United States or subjects of the United Kingdom to be compelled to learn to live in fear of incipient terrorism every time they board a bus, train, subway car or aircraft. The Israelis live like that because the western world, in caving in to the terrorism rampant among the Arabs of Gaza, Judea and Samaria, has given them no choice but to put up exclusionary walls or face national suicide.
I do not want us to have to live that way. And if the only means of avoiding it is massively expelling any or all Muslims whose loyalty we cannot depend on, then I would support that measure with no guilt whatsoever. As would the majority of Americans, if it comes down to that in the midst of the spreading clash of civilizations that we have only begun to take notice of. So you can feel guilty if you choose. Most of the rest of us will insist on expelling any enemies we uncover.
Or if we cannot do that for whatever reason, then you can fully expect the development of a system of large-scale concentration camps such as those that the west coast Japanese were put into behind barbed wire in World War II.
And don't you imagine for even a moment that if many of us begin talking up these options, that we will not find willing ears to listen in the US civil and military leadership.
World Islamism has sowed the wind. They may yet to their surprise reap the whirlwind.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI