Defining "Democracy" and The Democratic Peace Theory
Dean
Every time I've mentioned the Democratic Peace Theory, a certain argument comes up. It is a rational argument and deserves to be considered, and it boils down to, "how do you define 'democracy' and 'war?'"
Now I must note that when I've debated this, I've been linking to one of the world's foremost political scientists, and if you follow the links I provide you will generally find that he references peer-reviewed papers that have been published in journals of political science. It's important that you understand the significance of that: a paper in a peeer-reviewed journal is not Gospel, but it is written by a respected researcher and, before it's published, it undergoes a lengthy process where other qualified researchers in the field review it carefully, point out possible flaws or objections, challenge his references, and give the author a chance to meet their objections and/or clarify his reasoning before publication.
In other words, while a peer-reviewed paper may be wrong about something, it is extraordinarily arrogant to think you can just skim it and toss off a casual dismissal. You need to respect the material, and that means that before you spout about it you read it carefully and think about it, under the assumption that someone who's quite smart and quite well-informed wrote it, and that other people who are quite smart and well-informed reviewed it before it got published.
Okay, so, recently a commenter here pointed to this detailed critique of the Democratic Peace Theory. Although I believe this critique has some serious deficiencies, it raises enough strong points that I thought I'd bring it to Dr. Rummel's attention. Rudy responded respectfully and with further references.
When I first read Rudy's response it didn't seem very clear to me. It appeared that he wasn't supporting his argument all that vigorously. But I was wrong. I looked through the materials he linked in reference, and there is more than adequate representation there.
The most important document he linked to my mind was this 1998 paper by James Lee Ray from the Annual Review of Political Science. In it, Ray notes that the Democratic Peace Theory--the notion that democracy in and of itself is a potent force for peace, and that no two democracies have ever gone to war with each other--is the best-supported theory in political science today. It reviews exhaustively all the arguments for and against the theory, and gives dissenters their due.
The paper is heavy reading, but completely worth it if you want to understand this theory.
The main section of the paper to draw my attention was the part that addresses the most common objection raised by Dean's World readers: that it's difficult to define "democracy." This is fully laid to rest in Ray's paper. While acknowledging that there is always some imprecision in these things, a working definition accepted by political scientists who endorse the Democratic Peace Theory amounts to (assuming I'm reading it properly):
1) The nation must hold competitive elections. To be defined as competitive, there must be at least two formally independent political parties (or similar groups).
2) 50% or more of the adult population must be allowed to vote.
3) Those in legislative and executive power must have been put into place by said elections.
4) There must have been at least one peaceful, constitutional transfer of power between independent political parties.
Nations which do not meet all four conditions might be considered proto-democracies or emerging democracies or republics, but would not be considered democracies until they met all four conditions.
This is fairly stringent, but quite workable. It fits most of the nations we typically consider democracies--Canada, the U.S., India, Japan, most European nations, Australia, Brazil, Chile, and so on. It would also exclude nations that most people would recognize as "debateable," including Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, and Palestine. These could be considered proto-democracies or emerging democracies, but they have not yet proven themselves truly to be democracies. It would also completely rule out places like Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia, or Iran.
Note that it would also allow us to easily tell the difference between democracy and liberal democracy, for to be considered a liberal democracy the vasty majority of adults must be eligible to vote, and freedom of political speech and press must be enshrined in the system of law. Thus the United States, for example, would not have qualified for "liberal democracy" status until the 19th amendment was ratified to give women the vote (and it didn't fully meet the promises of liberal democracy until it guaranteed the franchise to blacks some 40 years ago).
Note also that Ray gives a commonly-accepted poli-sci definition of "war"--an armed conflict with at least 1,000 people killed in battle. Some would object to this, but the fact is that you have to choose your definitions somewhere if you're going to quantify an argument. This is what the political scientists use, and so we use it here.
Ray notes, as do Rummel and many others, that if you accept those two definitions, then there has never been a war between two democracies. Sporadic violence, yes, but surprisingly little even of that. But war? It's never happened.
Ever.
Rummel, Ray, and others also note that statistically, the odds are astronomically against the notion that this is mere coincidence. Again, I suggest you read the materials I've linked before dismissing this: according to their calculations, the odds are literally billions to one against.
Those of you who wish to disagree with the definitions given here are free to to so. Just be aware that political scientists aren't obligated to accept your definitions--and since what we are discussing here is a Theory of Political Science, one which a great many political scientists respect and use, please try to check your arrogance at the door if you decide to disagree. Or just read Ray's paper thoroughly, which examines these questions in great detail, while acknowledging the dissenters and giving them their due.
Read it, and then you'll at least be able to raise your objections intelligently.
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Though it turns out that there might just possibly have been one war between Democratic nations. In The Spanish/American war (1898), Spain has been counted as a democracy according to some measures...
Also, there have definitely been wars between democratic states; you just have to go back to ancient Greece to find them. And for another point: The UK and Finland were on opposite sides of WWII, and had mutual declarations of war. But they never actually attacked eachother...
Bonus: if you write about it for school, you can site it directly, and you'll seem really smart. You can cite Rudy as well, since he's one of the foremost experts on it. ;-)
Question: Is it necessary for women to vote for a country to be a democracy? I know I'll sound like a "Transcendental Scientist", but I'm going to have to say no. There has never been a more passionate devotee of democracy than G. K. Chesterton, and yet he opposed women voting for 3 reasons:
1) Most women at the time didn't want the vote, and, if they were allowed to vote on whether they should be allowed to vote, the majority of them would have voted against it.
2) Women, being essentially holier than men, should not participate in the organized coercion which is the essence of government.
3) Men have a better understanding and appreciation of the idea of an impersonal rule of law, while women gravitate toward more personal rule, and hence are more suited to be despots, whether in the home or on the throne. HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL....!!!!
Transcending "Transcendental Science"?
This brings me to something I have thought about for a long time, and was thinking about this morning. Chesterton said that there are essentially two kinds of government, rule by a rule and rule by a ruler. In other words, republics and monarchies. And I have long thought that the latter tends to be the more instinctual or "default" type of rule, that toward which the hearts of both men and women incline. This ties in with the two hemispheres of the brain, the left (or "math") hemisphere vs. the right (or "myth") hemisphere. The Left ("Liberty, Equality, Fraternity") vs. the Right ("Throne and Altar"). Benjamin Disraeli once defined liberalism as "loyalty to abstractions" and conservatism as "loyalty to persons". I think this ties in with atheism vs. theism as well.
The earliest forms of government were monarchies, the kings of Sumer and Babylon, the Pharaohs of Egypt, the princes of India, the kings and then emperors of China and Japan, the chiefs and kings of the Mayas, Olmecs, Toltecs, Aztecs, and Incas and of all the Native American tribes as well as those of Africa, the kings of Hawaii, the kings of Europe. The Greeks of the Homeric era had kings, as did the earliest Romans. The Greeks and then the Romans were the first to try republics, and the first to philosophize abstractly about alternative forms of government. But even the Greeks finally surrendered to the despotism of Alexander, and the Romans to the Caesars.
In the late 18th century, America and France established republics. But France soon fell to the rule of Napoleon, and then spent the next century alternating between republics and monarchies. In America, George Washington explicitly refused the crown, and we have remained a republic ever since. But, even here, we have always had the tendency to endow our more popular Presidents (e.g., JFK, FDR, Lincoln, even Washington himself) with quasi-monarchical grandeur.
I have long ago concluded that the ideal form of government is a Constitutional monarchy, combining the rule of an overarching impersonal law with that loyalty to a person to which the human heart has always gravitated. A Queen, Beatrix, sits upon the throne in the Netherlands, perhaps the freest of all lands, and also democratic in its governance. As to war and peace, I have not heard of Holland declaring war on Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, or the United States. But, as Pim Fortuyn warned, she may soon have to declare War against a subversive element within her midst....
But I do have one comment. I didn’t see any mention of how population size or density of a particular state might factor into the equation. It seems to me (no proof) that the majority of democracies are now, and have been, smaller population-wise than many states with other forms of government.
Or stated another way, it seems a much larger percentage of the world’s population has been historically represented by non-democratic governments. And the larger the population, the greater demand for resources, the greater the opportunity for internal conflict, and quite possibly a greater propensity for war.
Now don’t get me wrong. I am a huge fan of democracy, and I believe it is the best form of government ever conceived. So I hope these guys are right. And I am involved in research myself, so I know you have to constrain these problems carefully. And you will always get the inevitable, “why didn’t you look at this?”, and “why didn’t look at that?,” etc., etc. So I feel their pain in that respect.
But population size seems important here. Maybe the studies could compare not simply the number of states, but the number of people each of those states represent.
"Technically women don't have to have the vote to be considered a democracy but you can't be considered a liberla democracy unless you have universal franchise (which of course would include women)."
A system in which only women are allowed to vote would a Femocracy. A liberal Femocracy would be one in which the men are let out of their cages every once in a while.
HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL....!!!!
Jay: Nope. Population-wise, India is the world's second largest country, with over a billion citizens--and is the world's largest democracy. The United States is the third most populous nation in the world with 300 million citizens--and is the world's second largest democracy. Both nations have been growing steadily ever since they became democracies. Indonesia recently got on the road to democracy--they haven't yet had a peaceful transition of power, so they aren't proven yet--but they are close and they have an enormous and burgeoning population.
Liberal democracies have been proven never to commit mass murder of their own citizens. No liberal democracy has ever done this. By comparison, non-democracies frequently murder their own citizens by the millions. China, North Korea, Stalin's Soviet Union, and Saddam's Iraq all spring immediately to mind.
Simply put, most people's thinking on this is exactly backwards: if you want to get rid of poverty, democracy needs to be the first thing you implement. If you want to improve human rights, democracy is the first thing you implement. If you want to feed the hungry, democracy is the first thing you implement. If you want to see increased lifespans, democracy is the first thing you implement.
I am not arguing with the premise. It does make sense to me, and I hope it is completely correct.
But my (relatively) unbiased, inner researcher is wondering how population numbers would effect the study. That seems to me like it could be a very important variable, and I don’t see any mention of it anywhere.
Hell, it might end up making the argument even stronger, for all I know.
If you would look at the materials I have linked, Jay, you would find that every liberal democracy on Earth and every democracy in history has been examined, from tiny ones with less than a million, to smallish ones with a few million, to largish ones with tens of millions, to enormous ones with hundreds of millions. Not one has ever gone to war with another democracy--not once, not ever. Not one has experienced a famine--not once, not ever. Not one has committed mass slaughter of its own citizens--not once, not ever.
What more can I tell you? These questions have been examined already. Read the James Lee Ray paper.
You don’t have to say anything more. I have read and re-read that paper several times.
I think I understand your point completely, and I agree completely.
I’m suffering through some communication challenges here. I think the study should go a bit further, and I’m having trouble explaining why I feel that way.
But the real world is calling, so any further discussion will have to wait. Or if it just vaporizes into the Ether, I won’t feel bad at all.
Now, any nation that allows slavery can hardly be called a liberal democracy, but the USA was a democracy by most standards, and by the standards of the day, one of the most liberal.
Still, a single counterexample doesn't detract from the main point: if you want to fix the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia, democracy is the first step.
Mike
Yes, the US was far more liberal and progressive than most of the world at the time. But it was not a democracy. It was a republic, one in which only a minority of citizens had the franchise. Not even 50% were eligible to vote.
Thus the US civil war is not an exception. So far, there are no exceptions.
My own definition of war is "any use or threat of force in order to achieve a political goal against the will of someone else not in the same body politic". A different way to say that is that "war" is anything that obeys the principles laid out by Clausewitz. My definition is much more broad than yours, Dean; it includes what you call "war" (which I refer to as "violent war") but my definition also includes such things as "trade wars" and "wars of words".
If you use my more expansive definition and if you subdivide war into "violent war" and "nonviolent war" I think what you find is that democracies never engage in violent war with one another (I agree with that point), but they engage in nonviolent war with each other more often than non-democracies do.
And I think that this supports Dean's point rather than impeaching it. Democracies engage in cold war with each other, but never hot war. There can be and have been cold wars with non-democracies, but between democracies it's the preferred way to go about it.
But don't ask me to explain why, because I can't.
I note only again: the Democratic Peace Theory isn't my pet theory or belief. It is the single best-supported and most widely accepted theory in the field of Political Science. It is not mush-headed feel-good crap, and it is not the "Bush line" or anything like that. It's a scientific theory, a very rigorous and quite well-supported one. I repeat once again: read this paper. If you understand everything in it, then you have a firm understanding of Democratic Peace Theory.
So again: 1) Within this theory, "War" equals battle confrontations in which at least 1,000 individuals are killed in battle. 2) "Democracy" equals a nation in which 50% or more of the populace can vote, in which there are competitive elections with at least two independent political parties, in which both the executive and legislative branches have been put into office by such elections, and in which there has been at least one peaceful transfer of power between independent political parties.
Got it? Those are the terms. In that case the equation is simple: Democracies never make war on each other.
The United States was not a democracy at the time of its great civil war. Neither the US nor the UK were democracies at the time of the Revolutionary War. Spain was not a democracy at the time of the Spanish-American war. And so on and so forth.
In furtherance of understanding the theory, a liberal democracy is one in which not only the four conditions described above hold, but in which free press, free speech, and universal or near-universal franchise is granted. In that equation:
1) No liberal democracy has ever gone to war with any other democracy (liberal or nonliberal)
2) No liberal democracy has ever experienced a famine.
3) No liberal democracy has ever experienced a civil war (again see the definition of "war" given above), and
4) No liberal democracy has ever committed mass murder against its own people.
All of those hold true. None of them are debatable. We have a huge dataset from which to draw and there are no exceptions to be found anywhere in the historic record at all, anywhere.
Given the number of wars which have been fought in history, and the number killed in those wars, and the opportunities democracies have had to go to war with each other, the odds of this all being simply coincidental are literally astronomical; Rummel's calculations put it at 8.017E-36--odds of getting hit by a meteor are probably higher.
Once you understand this theory, and the extraordinary amount of data that underlies it, you start to understand its significance--and conversations about trade wars and whatnot become interesting, but take place on an entirely different plane. I'll merely note that at one time a "trade war" literally involved shooting at people, wars in which thousands, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands might die or be enslaved (and by "enslaved" I don't mean "wage slave" or "not making a fair wage," I mean enslaved, motherfucker).
Democracies often go to war, and are extremely good at it. In their interactions with each other, however, they restrict themselves to non-lethal forms of conflict most of the time.
You say here:
There can be and have been cold wars with non-democracies, but between democracies it's the preferred way to go about it....But don't ask me to explain why, because I can't.
I again recommend this paper. You should have no trouble digesting it.
But to give you a short response: there are several theories as to why this is, but it mostly boils down to the fact that elected leaders who lose wars lose their jobs, and further, Game Theory would support the contention that the average citizen--and remember, the "average citizen" is either a voter or at least a close friend and relative of a voter in any democracy--stands to lose the most in a war and generally won't support it without strong reason.
In essence, Stephen, the traditional liberal worldview is simply pervasive: people don't much like war and don't generally favor it. If they did, the entire globe would be a cinder by now.
Note that within this theory there are several percolating effects which you can see; democracies have a harder time with longer and more protracted wars than do autocracies, for example.
There is a project called “POLITY” (Monty G. Marshall and Keith Jaggers, Principal Investigators Monty G. Marshall, Project Director Ted Robert Gurr, Founding Director). POLITY is on it’s 4th iteration and ranks the worlds nations, year by year according a bunch of different variables to determine what sort of government they have. This one of the most rigorous and widely used datasets available. It uses different definitions than Prof. Ray...
It ranks nations on a pair of 10 point scales, one for democracy, one for autocracy. These categories are not mutually exclusive, though in practice they tend to be. The US has never ranked above a 3 on the autocracy scale (1800-1809), and never below a 7 on the Democracy scale (same time period). Even during this time, we rated as a Democracy, though it was a near thing...
From 1854-1865, we rated as 8,0 [Demo, Auto]. According to Political Scientists, we ranked as a Democracy during the US Civil war...
However I'd be interested to know if you have a link to the Marshall and Jaggers material.