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Quotes of the Day

"So far we're waging the kindest, gentlest war in history. That could change, of course."

Yes, and I wish more people would recognize this irrefutable truth. It is extraordinary how restrained we have been--no large nation involved in any war in history has been so utterly restrained and careful. And no nation has been capable of wreaking as much damage without doing so.

Tom Friedman, who I often think of as something of a flake, speaks another important truth here:

Because there is no obvious target to retaliate against, and because there are not enough police to police every opening in an open society, either the Muslim world begins to really restrain, inhibit and denounce its own extremists - if it turns out that they are behind the London bombings - or the West is going to do it for them. And the West will do it in a rough, crude way - by simply shutting them out, denying them visas and making every Muslim in its midst guilty until proven innocent.

And because I think that would be a disaster, it is essential that the Muslim world wake up to the fact that it has a jihadist death cult in its midst. If it does not fight that death cult, that cancer, within its own body politic, it is going to infect Muslim-Western relations everywhere. Only the Muslim world can root out that death cult. It takes a village. . . .

The Muslim village has been derelict in condemning the madness of jihadist attacks. When Salman Rushdie wrote a controversial novel involving the prophet Muhammad, he was sentenced to death by the leader of Iran. To this day - to this day - no major Muslim cleric or religious body has ever issued a fatwa condemning Osama bin Laden.

As I noted earlier today, we're seeing a little more of this all the time. To me it's something of a relief, but it's still not enough.

More here.

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jaymaster (mail):
Not to take away from the seriousness of your topic, but I would add this as another quote of the day:

“Tom Friedman, who I often think of as something of a flake,…”


Yep. That nails it.
7.8.2005 6:50pm
Scott Kirwin (mail) (www):
Yep, I concur. He's a flake. But even flakes have their moments of lucidity when their meds kick in, and Tom's meds worked well for a couple of paragraphs.
7.8.2005 11:40pm
Martin (a.k.a. UML Guy) (www):
I respectfully disagree. I think Mr. Friedman lies somewhere in a middle ground between the flakes and the regular people. Some days, he sees the facts with amazing clarity. Other days, he falls back into Flakeland, and displays all the usual looney Left prejudices.

I have hopes for him: if he sees the light now and then, he may see it more and more over time. And because he has one foot in Flakeland, he has the attention of others who might also see the light because of him.

Seriously, now that Mr. Safire's gone, Mr. Friedman is the closest thing to a voice of reason I can find at the Times. He disappoints me far more than do Mr. Rich, Mr. Hrugman, or Ms. Dowd; but that's because I've given up and them, and I expect them to be completely insane. I still hope for sanity from Mr. Friedman.
7.8.2005 11:47pm
jaymaster (mail):
Steve, I think you are going a bit overboard in flat out calling Friedman a flake.

That’s why Dean’s statement struck me as being dead nuts on.

IMO, Freidman is not a full fledged flake. But he is something of a flake. Sometimes. But then again, sometimes he seems very unflake-like too.

He's hard to describe in words.
7.8.2005 11:55pm
Kevin D:
I like frosted flakes. They're yummy.
7.9.2005 7:14am
Arnold Harris (mail):
If Thomas Friedman of the New York Times issues such a warning as he did, we are not long from the establishment of wilderness tourist camps for Arabs. Complete with barbed wire.

Remember, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Earl Warren were both outstanding liberals. But they were the two civilian leaders in December 1941 and January 1942 who had the most to do with putting the Japanese in concentration camps (Excuse me, "relocation centers", for the politically correct.)

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
7.9.2005 10:25am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Kevin D. deserves a green border for that comment.
7.9.2005 3:40pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
The so-called "concentration camps" in which our government interned Japanese as well as Germans and Italians during World War II were idyllic vacation resorts compared to any of the concentration (death) camps on the enemy (Nazi) side, or any of those of our Soviet ally. I have had it with moral equivalence.
7.9.2005 3:45pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
If the Arabs and other muslims residing in this country are found by US police authorities to have shielded groups of terrorist murderers, and when outrage grows all across this land, I doubt they will be treated half as gently as the US government treated the interned Japanese in World War II.

Significant numbers of Americans are getting pissed, and the mood is growing. That was the not so hidden meaning of what Friedman was warning those people about.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
7.9.2005 10:27pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Little side note:

While outstanding liberals President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and (soon-to-be-Chief Justice) Earl Warren ordered and carried out the internment of Japanese, J. Edgar Hoover, not known as a liberal, to put it mildly, opposed the internment. But, anyway....

Arnold Harris is right. Even now, Muslims whine about how they are being "persecuted", even while they persecute "infidels" and Jews, homosexuals and "uppity" women. As Ayn Rand would say (in a Russian accent): "They ain't seen nothing yet." They are either 100% on our side or 100% on the side of the terrorists. And if they choose to be on the side of the terrorists, Americans are going to get more and ever more pissed. They had better watch their asses. Harsh, I know. That's the way it is. That's the way I am.
7.10.2005 12:39am
maor (mail):
I don't think Friedman is a flake, so much as being just completely unoriginal.
A computer program which scanned the internet and summarized commonly held opinions (both smart and dumb ones) would produce the same stuff.
7.10.2005 10:43am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
As Willmoore Kendall said about "the McCarthy set-to": "Next time around, Americans are going to get a whole lot madder."
7.10.2005 12:01pm