Reforming the UN Step #1: No More Despots
Dean
I got some flack yesterday for my assertion that the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) should be rejected out-of-hand in their request for a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. Most didn't like my reasoning, which was that non-democratic states should be denied any such elevation. Many pointed out that being democratic has never been a requirement in the past, and pointed to the former Soviet Union and China as examples.
But China and Russia were granted their status on the Security Council in a different era. Both have become markedly more free than they once were, so their presence is not as troubling as it once was. But it should be considered absolutely unacceptable to allow any more non-democratic, non-free regimes a permanent seat on the council. Not just because that's the moral position to take--although it certainly is the moral position--but because the most important security measure that free people can take is to avoid doing anything which legitimizes tyranny.
The greatest threat to world security is non-free, non-democratic states. Therefore, we cannot give non-free, non-democratic regimes the legitimacy and the power that Security Council status would bring--not if we want the world to be more secure, anyway.
The Organization of the Islamic Conference is not a legitimate representative government body. It primarily represents a handful Mafia-style kingpins and theocratic fascists who rule with an iron fist over tens of millions of people by brute force. They in no way "represent" the people they rule over--they merely oppress, enslave, and murder them.
It may be necessary for reasons of pragmatism to have dealings with such regimes, even to hold our noses and be friendly with them at times. But it is high time we stop coddling them or pretending that they are in any way "legitimate." They rule solely by brutality. On 9/11 we saw the folly of pretending that such regimes make the world more "secure" just because they are "stable."
Penny Wit expressed what I think is probably the most common viewpoint on the United Nations and its purpose--a common view I once shared and now utterly reject:
The tests for having a seat, methinks, are regional or global dominance and a devotion to the principle that people shouldn't shoot at each other unless it's really, really necessary ... and rightfully so.
This has been the view that most people have embraced for most of my lifetime--and it is high time that free peoples recognize that, for all that it sounds good, it is a) morally vacuous and b) counterproductive to the aim of a more peaceful world.
If I changed my mind on this, I know others can too. We just need to wake more people up.
Think about this seriously: the aim is to stop nations from from warring on each other except as a last resort. Inherent in that is the notion war is the worst of all possible outcomes. This needs to be challenged wherever and whenever possible, because it is a lie. Despotic regimes murdered more than four times as many people in the last 100 years as all the wars on the planet combined. Furthermore, wars are often fought for good reason, whereas despotic regimes never exist for any good reason; they exist only because of the willingness of good people to stand by and do nothing.
In some cases, those subjected to tyranny can throw off their own shackles. This should be encouraged whenever possible. But the history of the last 100 years shows that some tyrants' control is so thorough that only help from outside can tip the scales toward life and freedom.
Sometimes, that help from outside may just be little things--helping to distribute subversive literature, or sharing intelligence with the resistance. Sometimes, it may be donations of money and supplies and equipment. And sometimes--just sometimes--it might be all-out war.
You might hear some say, "oppessed people can only free themselves." Oh really? Tell that to the people who ran the Underground Railroad. Tell that to those whose ancestors were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation and the bloodiest civil war in American history. Tell it to the survivors of Auschwitz. Tell it to the survivors of the Gulag Archipelago.
The old thinking on the UN boils down to this: "War is bad, the worst thing imaginable. So, you can butcher as many children as you want, torture as many people as you like, crush as many minorities as you please, treat your women like chattel, lobotomize and execute your homosexuals, grind every religious minority into the dirt, break as many bones and chop off as many limbs as you see fit, and obliterate every human freedom that annoys you: just don't bother your neigbors."
We need to stop this. It is simply unacceptable. If we are concerned with world security, then it is a fact that the only thing which has ever been shown to increase the security of everyday people is freedom and democracy.
We should not give any more legitimacy to non-democratic regimes than we absolutely must. Generations ago it was unavoidable to allow regimes like the USSR and China such legitimacy--but today it is usually quite avoidable.
World security is in no way enhanced by giving equal standing to the barbaric regimes represented by the OIC, any more than it would be enhanced by giving such standing to Castro's Cuba, Milosevic's Serbia, Kim's North Korea, or Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
When all the governments within the OIC--all of them--grant free speech, free press, and free elections to their people, then I will be the first to stand up and say that they should be welcomed as equals fit to judge matters of world security. But not one minute before!
So long as there is still a United Nations, and free and democratic nations are still a part of that organization, then free people everywhere should speak with one voice:
"No more tyrants on the Security Council!"
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You mean like the US gave the Taliban when they were fighting the Soviet Union or gave Saddam Hussein when Iraq was fighting Iran?
I'm one of those who believes that democracy evolves for the most part; it isn't externally imposed.
dale
Fat chance of anything like that, or of Israel ever even serving on the security council.
The UNO ought to be either reorganized or dissolved.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
There has been exactly one, successful, slave revolt in all of recorded history. One.
Before ours, and most of them since ours, there were no revolutions that succeeded in actually improving the lot of the people. All revolutions before and most since were eventually taken over by bad people.
The illustrious French Revolution (Hosannnahs!!!!!) ended up with Napoleon. The Russian with 80 years of despotic rule. The latest Russian revolution looks as if it has ended up with the rule of Putin I. The Iranian revolution threw off a relatively benign dictatorship for the lovely Mullarchy. Examples abound.
The ones which have worked have mostly been helped by us. Central and South America are good examples of that.
So historically, it is very rare for people to throw off the shackles of their oppressors. We are seeing a freeing of people right now that's beautiful and whose only precedent is in eastern Europe after the fall of the USSR.
Note that both mass freeings were the result of horrible right-wingers over the sage and compassionate objections of well-meaning (/hate-filled) lefties.
Screw em all, do the right thing.
The US never supported the Taliban. The Taliban came out of the Madrassas in Northwest Pakistan in the mid-90s and were supported by the Pakistani secret service - the ISI.
You are referring to the Mujahadeen - a loosely knit group that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. OBL was supposedly one of them (there is controversy over how much time he actually spent in the resistance) - but then again so was Hamid Karzai and Ahmed Shah Massoud - the leader of the Northern Alliance assassinated by OBL as a "gift" to his protector Mullah Omar.
You are implying that we made a mistake by arming the Mujahadeen in the 1980s and that they are the ones fighting us today in Afghanistan: they are not and we did not.
Now, let's turn to the issue of Saddam Hussein. Saddam's biggest arms supplier was France, and France and Germany were the ones helping Saddam build the Osirak nuclear reactor taken out by the Israelis in 1981. While the US may have leaned towards Iraq in its war against Iran, Iraq could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered an ally against the clerics in Tehran.
Contrast this with our relationship with the Soviet Union during World War 2 when the USSR was our ally against Germany and Japan. By your logic we should never have engaged them during the Cold War.
The problem with your viewpoint is that it assumes perfect knowledge that can only be had in hindsight, a luxury policymakers do not have. It would be nice if we hadn't allied with the Soviet Union, or followed Patton's assertion that we should have rolled our tanks all the way to Moscow.
Similarly, do you doubt that the US would have acted differently during the 1980s had it known Saddam was going to attack his neighbors and harbor terrorists like Abu Nidal?
The Vatican, I think, at least nominally qualifies for status at the UN because Vatican City is an independent nation-state.
--|PW|--
If Western Europe were to ally into a loose confederation that they called "The Christendom Alliance" with a common defense policy, and they wanted to have that as their representation on the Security Council, I'd have no great objection. If Poland and a half-dozen other predominantly Catholic nations banded together in a confederation called the "Catholic Mutual Defense and Trade Alliance" and wanted that as their representation on the Security Council, I'd have no objection.
When the OIC represents a coalition of democratic nations it is worthy of consideration in such requests. Until it does, it is merely another group of mafia thugs looking for legitimacy.
One idea that I heartily support is the "Community of Democracies," a UN-like organization with much stricter standards for entry (i.e. nations seeking to join must be true democracies (republics or constitutional monarchies), with free elections, the rule of law, guarantees of civil rights, etc.) Based on these standards, the only Islamic countries who would now qualify for membership are Iraq, Turkey, and Afghanistan. (Gee, you think there's a connection here?)
Indonesia and Albania.
That was before HRW actually cared about human rights - not attacking the US for every fault no matter how slight.
I might add that the people (in this country and in others) scandalized by the fact that Wyoming has two Senators and California also has two Senators never seem to have any difficulty with nations of ridiculously different sizes each having a vote in the General Assembly and each rotating onto the Security Council and the various committees.
I agree with Thief. Stuff the UN. Make up a council of democratic nations. NATO-plus, if you will. Make it clear what the criteria are for membership, and check them carefully. And if they're legit, then weight voting power by population among other things. I don't mean that India should sway such an organization solely by reason of its size; it would have to be understood that in a collective action, the nations ponying up the funds and the troops and the intelligence and the weaponry would have to have a say disproportionate to their population. But surely some sort of comproomise is possible.
What I want to go away, though, is the idea that any dictatorship is a "nation" with the same voting power as any other.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Islam isn't the enemy. Tyrants are.
Besides (and more seriously) once you open the door to non-state representatives, then you have to deal with all the NGOs out there; most of whom I would (personally) not mind shooting, and leaving the bodies on the nearest midden.
On the other hand, I think I may percieve your intent. If a group of nations -who exemplify truly representational governments- vote to empower such an authority as their representative, then maybe that would work. And, since it was the result of a political process based an elected governments (rather, a group of governments) wishes, this may negate the precedent of allowing NGOs as "representative" bodies, since they are not responsible to any particular nation state.
Theif, re: representative Islamic states. What about Malaysia? I think they may be coming along, more or less. Or am I thinking of Indonesia? Aackk.
Apparently Indonesia, from further comments. :)
Dean sez:
So what you're saying, Dean, is that in the last three years we've basically nearly doubled the number of Muslim democracies, due to Bush's policies? (Can we count Albania? {g})
Let's start pushing that meme; and really piss off the moonbats!! Tee hee hee.
"Double the number of Muslim democracies, or your money back!"
Another thing needed is to require 2 permanent member votes for a veto, at least after there are about 10 permanent members (India, Japan, Brazil, etc). Even the US should have to have a second vote for the veto -- if we cannot get it, we've got big problems anyway.
Adding in the facts that Saddam's Iraq was set to be on the disarmament committee and the composition of the human right's committee is just icing on the totalitarian cake.
I still like the idea of sending the UN to Haiti and calling it UNistan.
They can't run it any worse than it's been run. Of course, they probably can't run it any better either.