Appropriate Comparisons And Obvious Responses
Dean
There are several obvious responses to the question Kevin Drum asks in his piece about making appropriate comparisons. If Nazi and Stalinist references are out of bounds for civil discourse, what's in bounds?
A few simple suggestions for Kevin: "Our facilities are being run in a way that would make Thomas Jefferson ill." Or, "like a Turkish prison." Or, "like a Mexican jail." That would be hyperbolic, but at least it wouldn't mean you're comparing our troops on the ground, our people, with the worst monsters in human history.
I also notice, by the way, a certain interesting little sidestep that's so often performed by "anti-war" people when it comes to these things:
1) Someone says something outrageously hateful that smears our troops in the field and, in some cases, the entire country.
2) Some of us object strenuously. We are branded "right wing" or "conservative apologists" or some other label, whether it really fits us or not (question for Kevin Drum: Is Pavel Litvinov a "conservative apologist?")
3) Defenders of the vile remarks make allusions to McCarthyism and/or making free speech criminal--with the not-so-sublte implication that if I criticize an "anti-war" person, it must mean I want that person put in jail.
Kevin does not descend to #3, I'm thankful to say. I've seen it so often, I am actually a little surprised when some "anti-war" person doesn't trot it out. I note a similar pattern whenever someone criticizes the press, by the way. This one's an even shorter bit of faux-logic:
1) Criticize the press for slipshod, unpatriotic, shallow, stupid, and defeatest war coverage that betrays an absolute lack of any sensible historical or military perspective.
2) Be immediately accused of assaulting the First Amendment and/or having a secret desire to jail dissenters.
Here's a suggestion for serious-minded critics: why not stop with the invidious comparisons entirely, and start actually criticizing administration policies. Here's a few suggestions to try on for size:
1) "I'm not happy with the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, and I think the Bush administration isn't giving enough attention to the issue. I want them to stop chaining people to floors, and to stop allowing dogs to bark at prisoners to frighten them during interrogations. These things are beyond the pale, and they should be stopped, for they embarass the country and endanger our troops."
2) "I think the events a couple of years ago at Abu Ghraib indicate that the administration badly dropped the ball in not providing appropriate training and supervision of prison guards. This was an embarassment to the entire country and the Bush administration should be ashamed of itself."
3) "You know, while I have nothing but respect for our people in uniform, I blanched a little when I read some of the interrogation techniques being used in a couple of our military prisons. They strike me as something out of a bad spy novel or a chintzy third-world jail. I think we can do better than this. The administration should not be condoning irresponsible practices such as X, Y, and Z" (insert details here).
See how easy it is? But to do things like that, you have to lose that delicious sense of rage that comes with calling people Nazis and Stalinists and mass-murdering psychopaths. You also have to give up the notion that you can make the most hateful and vicious of comparisons, then put on a halo and say, "I was only criticizing the administration's policies."
If it's the policies you're criticizing, name them and say what you think should be done differently. Failure to make that your #1 priority says that you care more about making ad hominem attacks and issuing hyperbolic broadsides than you do about seeing any actual policies changed.
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I'm just fine with about 90% of what has been reported from Gitmo *and* the much-worse Abu Ghraib. Some 10% is borderline and a few things have been clearly over-the-top and criminal - things which were quickly prosecuted by the US military, I note.
Even the borderline things depend on context, imo. If it's done for punishment or amusement or boredom or any other bad or routine reason then it's wrong and must stop. If it's used occasionally to gain information from the most important and hardened subjects, then more power to the interrogators. Stay just barely inside the line with those folks, please, because: they have information that will save many lives.
For my fellow citizens who disagree, ok, let's discuss it. Where exactly does the line fall for you, and why? If you can't discuss the hard realities of what to DO, instead of just always ankle-biting about what not to do, and do that without name-calling, you can't expect to be taken seriously.
We're in a war, people. I want the war over so the killing will stop, but with our side the winner (because that's the only way the killing will stop). If that means making some terrorists mildly uncomfortable occasionally, it's a good trade-off for the whole world.
What's so hard to understand about this?
And as for any comparisons with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. -- it's not conservatives who supported those Communists while they were in power or who are praising Castro today.
Otherwise, Durbin could have memorized what counts as decent and we wouldn't have learned how dumb he is. I might very well have continued assuming he is suitable as a senator.
I like the comparisons (favorable, I might add) to any run of the mill high security domestic prison right here in the great USA. Those murdering terrorists in Gitmo are being treated BETTER than the average criminal in jail here in the US.