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How much do you love freedom?

I am informed that Saturday was the anniversary of Tiananmen Square. The remarkable thing about the incident was the extraordinary lengths some people will go to in order that their liberty may be secured. How far would you go? Would you go as far as:

I'd like to think I would, but until the time comes...

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Ron Wright:
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I'm afraid not many would. Too distant. Of course 9/11 was a fluke. These wiley bastards may up the ante next time and use a bio-chem weapon. All the harassing of old ladies with wire in their bras will be for naught.

Smallpox would be my choice. I wouldn't use crop dusting planes either, I would use infected suicidal terrorists to infiltrate our porous southern border and mingle with the people at crowded venues e.g. sports events, mass transit, welfares offices et al. Six infected subjects would be sufficient. Did I mention OUR POROUS SOUTHERN BORDER!

Our public health system will be completely overwhelmed because the first cases would go undiagnosed until second and third generation cases were already well in progress. The CDC's current ring containment model will be useless. Assuming a "reasonable" response by the time we got a grip on the epidemic there would be 30K deaths [low estimate].

Read this essay I wrote sometime ago if you haven't already. I think it makes the point. I don't fault the American couch people entirely because the MSM has provided a very distorted view of reality in the GWOT.

The MSM for various reasons seems content to run Bush bashing stories and fails to report the serious threat the free world is facing from Islamofascism. The result is a false sense of security and introspective navel gazing.

We will win in the end. I for one don't wish to be one of those causalities before the American people and the Euro Weenies finally wake up and realize what the stakes are and wipe this cult like religious ideology of hate and evil, Islamofascism, from the face of the earth.

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I'm generally a fairly tolerant and level headed person but folks the train is rapidly coming down the tracks.
6.5.2005 4:04pm
Dean Esmay:
Here's an interesting question: Do you remember the name of that guy who stood in front of the tank?

It's a trick question. You don't remember, because you never knew it. To this day, no one knows who that guy was.

He's probably rotting in a Chinese gulag somewhere, if he's still alive at all.
6.5.2005 4:30pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
I think he must have known the driver of the lead tank wasn't about to run him over. I assume that orders are strictly enforced in the Chinese army, and the driver wouldn't also have wanted to spend the next 10-15 years in a jail.

Whether or not the matador goading the 60-ton steel bull is dead or alive is not important. He gave the western news media the photo opportunity they all wanted, and I'm certain that is all they really gave a damn about.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
6.5.2005 4:52pm
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Why should he have known that? They don’t call it the Tiananmen Square massacre because they all played cards together. Somewhere between 400 and 7000 people died during that protest. I’ve always thought you were an ass Mr. Harris, but I begin to wonder if your doggish cynicism knows any bounds at all...
6.5.2005 5:11pm
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
Indeed, according the Wikipediathe tank driver was arrested for not running the man over...
6.5.2005 5:16pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Cynicism is necessarily doggish, just as felinity is cat-like. Meow! Arnold Harris: a most interesting man. From everything I have read in his previous posts ever since I've been here in Dean's World, I can well imagine he'd be giving the Communists a good fight. Freedom is our most precious possession, and I can only pray that I would have the courage that young man had to stand up for it. We must see to it that no Communists, Nazis, or any other totalitarians ever get a chance to destroy our freedoms, to subvert our way of life. Never give up your freedom. Never give up your gun.
6.6.2005 2:43am
Arnold Harris (mail):
Damned right I would, SMA. Even so, I sure as hell would not stand 10 feet in front of a 60-ton tracked vehicle whose engine is running. Either for politics, love, or glory. Getting killed for freedom is one thing. But compelling some innocent street cleaning crew to scrape my flattened corpse off a pavement, then to hose my assorted liquids into the gutter drain-hole, is not what I have in mind for checkout day.

No bounds, AC. I see some degree of humor in just about everything that has to do with the human story. Sometimes it's light and fluffy; sometimes it's mordant. (You might as well be happy and not glum, because either way, when it's all over, you sure as hell croak.) You want to call that cynicism, I won't feel insulted.

As for name-calling, I haven't read enough of your stuff to tag you with any specific example from the animal kingdom. Until I do, you remain inoffensively inorganic.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
6.6.2005 8:57am
Arnold Harris (mail):
SMA, I was training to fight the Communists in 1953 in the US Army, but the war ended just when they were ready to ship me to USAFFE, along with some scores of thousands of others just like me.

After that, I was reduced to fighting them by studying how Communism had thoroughly fucked up every country in which it came to power. That, plus taking one of their beautiful young victims away from them and making her my wife. (She was, and still is, a damned fine victory. Of sorts.)

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
6.6.2005 9:04am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
HAIL TO YOU GLORIOUS VICTORY, ARNOLD HARRIS!!!!
6.6.2005 12:51pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
I wrote down a few of my thoughts about Tiananmen Square last year for the 15th anniversary, and those feelings haven't changed much since then--I remain doubtful, but hopeful for the lives and future freedom of the souls living in the People's Republic of China.
6.6.2005 12:52pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
The Chinese are getting rid of communism more or less on a daily basis. But it won't do them any good if that great country, containing some one-quarter of the world's population, falls into urban chaos. Much as I hate Communism, I'd rather have their aged party leaders running great China than some damned Falun Gong cult.

I'm judging this in American interests as well as those of the Chinese.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
6.6.2005 11:44pm