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Senator Robert Byrd: Senate History Buff Or Hypocrite?

Senator Robert Byrd was at the center of a controversy this week when he delivered a blistering speech about GOPers in Congress considering the "nuclear option" — changing the rules so filibusters on judicial nominees can end. The text of his speech is here.

His speech, which had references to Nazi Germany in it, generated a storm of criticism from many on the right and center right, including one writer who called him "Bryd Brain." Others have defended him. And his office said he was not comparing the GOP to Nazis at all.

Byrd also made his case forcefilly on the op-ed pages of the Washington Post yesterday. Byrd is sometimes called the historian of the Senate.

Political scientist Steven Taylor, however, did some history research of his own and he has concluded that Byrd is a hypocrite. Read this and let us know what you think.

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Drew Vogel (mail) (www):
That's seems a pretty thin hook on which to hang a charge of hypocrisy. I mean, I like Sen. Byrd, but I think you could come up with a much stronger case of hypocrisy against him, or any other professional politician, than this.

And what about the much greater hypocrisy of Republicans pretending that there is something unspeakably awful about filibustering judicial nominations, despite the fact that they attempted to do the same thing to some of Clinton's nominees? I think that's a much stronger case of hypocrisy.
3.5.2005 8:03pm
Joe Gandelman (mail):
Actually, on this post I am throwing the question out to readers. I tend to be a lot more hesistant to use adjectives than most people. On some of the posts I do here and on my blog The Moderate Voice I try to present some different ideas, then let readers come to their own invariably differing conclusions.
3.5.2005 10:54pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
As a rock-ribbed Constitutional Conservative and old-fashioned Goldwater-style Republican, I must say that that was an excellent speech and I agree completely with the Senator. We Conservatives have long distrusted the power of the federal executive branch, no matter which party occupied the White House, and we have long supported stringent checks and balances, a strong legislative branch, especially a strong Senate, and a strong judiciary, a strong Supreme Court, to keep the President and the majority political party from steamrolling over the rights of unpopular minorities, the smallest of which is the Individual.

I'm very glad that Senator Byrd, a Southern Democrat with whom I have often disagreed, criticized FDR's infamous and un-Constitutional attempt to pack the Supreme Court with judges who would be subservient to his agenda. President Roosevelt's warping of our jurisprudence was, in my opinion, by far the most disastrous effect of his New Deal program. We have still not recovered from that. I also oppose, as did many Conservatives at the time, the vitiation of the rules of cloture in 1975. I support the filibuster, the seniority system, and all the other "antiquated" rules which have long been established by our Senate to govern itself and to maintain itself as a deliberative body and a powerful check against the power of the executive. You may call it obstructionism, you may call it gridlock. Our Founding Fathers called it checks and balances.

As to the reference to Hitler in Senator Byrd's speech, I say that they cheapen the memory of the millions of victims of the National Socialist regime who imply that the past is irrelevant to the present and that we cannot learn from history. Those who will not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. If today's Republicans continue in their short-sighted path, we may someday see a President Hillary Clinton using the powers they gave her to ram down their throats an agenda of her own that they will not like too much. It only takes "a village" of short-sighted politicians, out to get what they want by any means fair or foul, to undermine our Constitutional system of checks and balances that protects their own liberties.

The first rule in government is this: Never give to government any power that you would not wish to see in the hands of your worst enemy. Our Founding Fathers understood that very well. That is why they wrote our Constitution in the first place.
3.5.2005 11:34pm
Dean Esmay (www):
I do not recall Republicans filibustering judicial nominees as an everyday tactic. This is not to say that they never have, nor that Democrats are wrong to use it more often. It merely (correct me if I'm wrong) seems Dems are using it a lot more than it's been used in the past.

But this gets me to something I've noticed after 20 years of observing the Congress: whenever someone says something is "unprecedented," usually in alarmist terms, you should usually take that to mean, "they're doing something which is perfectly allowable under the rules and I really don't like it."

It's unprecedented to routinely filibuster judicial nominees? So what? If it's allowed, and they feel strongly about it, so be it.

It's unprecedented to remove the filibuster on judicial nominees to get around that? Yeah, and so what?

Unprecedented means "hasn't been done before." And I usually find that whether you like the "unprecedented" action usually depends on whether you like that action or not.

I have a hard time getting worked up over this either way. The People for the American Way can have their spastic apoplectic fits over it if they want, as can Grover Norquist, and I just don't care either way.

Getting worked up over procedural rules in the House or Senate strikes me as something that is a waste of time for the average voter, it really does.
3.5.2005 11:58pm
Casey Tompkins (mail) (www):
Drew is whining. Again. :) He's obviously unaware of the four different times which "KKK" Byrd has changed Senate rules to suit the Democratic majority the past 40 years... And Drew; when you get a minute, try explaining Byrd's 14-hour filibuster of the Civil Rights act, 40 years ago.

If y'all want another perspective, try this out...
3.6.2005 2:02am
maor (mail):
"Senator Robert Byrd: Senate History Buff Or Hypocrite?"

I don't see why a person can't be both.
Although I think Byrd is only a hypocrite, not that this is unusual or anything in a senator.
3.6.2005 8:53am
Drew Vogel (mail) (www):
Thanks for assuming I'm ignorant, Casey. I won't return the favor, if you don't mind.

Read my post again and I think you'll find that I'm conceding the hypocrisy point wrt Sen. Byrd. My argument is only that the article Joe linked to presents a very thin case, which it does.

Dean, thank you for actually responding to my point. I will return the favor, if you don't mind. I don't know what you mean exactly by "everyday tactic". The Democrats have filibustered a few of Bush's nominees, and also confirmed many many more. Even when the Dems briefly controlled the Senate, Bush's nominees had a much higher confrmation rate than Clinton's. And that's the big picture here.

There are more ways than just a filibuster to torpedo a nominee. Or, at least, there used to be, until Orrin Hatch rewrote the rules to take the tools away from the Democrats that the Republicans had used so well against Clinton's nominees. The filibuster is all the Dems have left. That's why they've used it more.

Plus, it's worked. If the Republicans had ever managed to successfully filibuster one of Clinton's nominees, I'm sure they would have used the tactic more often than they did.
3.6.2005 10:27am
Michelle Dulak Thomson (mail):
Well, personally, I don't think a Senator whose previous titles include "Kleagle" really ought to be comparing Republican tactics to Hitler's. And I do wish we were back in the days when "filibustering" was essentially an xtreme sport, requiring the Senator keeping up the filibuster actually to keep speaking all the time. I think that was the case when Sen. "we must block all these racist Bush judges!" Byrd was filibustering the Civil Rights Act. I believe Strom Thurmond held the Senate record, speaking for something like 24 hours straight. Or was it 30?
3.6.2005 5:39pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Michelle Dulak Thompson wrote:
"Well, personally, I don't think a Senator whose previous titles include "Kleagle" really ought to be comparing Republican tactics to Hitler's."

Senator Byrd wasn't vomparing President Bush or Republicans to Hitker. In fact, he compared Bush to FDR. He was using Hitler as the ultimate example of the danger of weakening the legislative branch in order to give more power to the executive branch. As I said, he wasn't thinking merely in terms of the immediate moment, this particular administration, but of the long term, a future administration which could take advantage of the powers ceded to it by this Congress, using those powers for ends that Republicans would not like.
3.6.2005 8:56pm
Dean Esmay (www):
Honestly I don't even know who's telling the truth now. Republicans claim the Democrats have blocked more Bush nominees than they blocked Clinton nominees, and the Democrats say they're full of it. I honestly haven't had time to look at it closely but it appears to me when I have looked that both are playing games with statistics, one side invoking raw numbers while the other is playing with percentages. I may be wrong about that but that's what it's looked like when I've peered at it.

This is one of those reasons why I despise the fact that most Americans don't care about numbers or basic simple math. It makes it too easy for politicians on both sides of the aisle to play these games (and I've been watching long enough to know they BOTH do it just as much as each other--indeed, Democratic leaders these days in their complaints sound eerily like Newt Gingrich and his Contract With America compatriots ten years ago, and not that when I say that I'm not being sarcastic and it is not a criticism).
3.6.2005 10:30pm
Michelle Dulak Thomson (mail):
Steven Malcolm Anderson,

Senator Byrd wasn't comparing President Bush or Republicans to Hitler. In fact, he compared Bush to FDR.

He was using Hitler as the ultimate example of the danger of weakening the legislative branch in order to give more power to the executive branch. As I said, he wasn't thinking merely in terms of the immediate moment, this particular administration, but of the long term, a future administration which could take advantage of the powers ceded to it by this Congress, using those powers for ends that Republicans would not like.

No, I think he was comparing the Senate Republicans to Hitler — at the minimum, he was making a point that might have been made very easily without bringing Hitler into it. It was needless and harmful rhetorical overkill. Especially as the proposed filibuster "reform" wouldn't change the balance among the branches of government, but the balance of power between majority and minority within one branch.

Does that favor the current executive? Of course it does. But it doesn't permanently change the balance of powers among the branches. The Congress and the Presidency belong to opposite parties at least as often as not, IIRC. I can see how weakening the filibuster gives the majority party more power vis a vis the minority party in Congress; but how it alters structurally the relations among the branches I can't see.

And comparing Bush to FDR in his court-packing mode should not be construed as a compliment.
3.7.2005 2:10pm
Casey Tompkins (mail) (www):
Drew: my bad. I must have skimmed your first post too quickly (late night); I had the impression you were saying that Byrd wasn't a hypocrite. Sorry.

If you (or anyone else) too the time to follow the link I provided, it should provide some insight on how House/Senate procedure has been changed in the past, and perhaps note the similarities to the present situation.

And I repeat: the Dems have presided over four rule changes the past 30 years. But I don't doubt all four rule changes benefited both sides equally... :)

Instead of whining that "the Republicans did it, too!" (which cuts no cheese with me; I don't care who started this crap) why not address the central question? Which is: why does either party resort to this foolishness? Simple: it's a power play. The opposition doesn't have a legitimate argument against a given nominee, so they start this crap instead.

I have a very simple philosophy: if they are not suitable, hold a vote, and vote NO in committee. Then, vote NO during the full vote on the floor. Very simple.

The problem is that the Bush nominees aren't prima facie unsuitable; rather that they're "too conservative," and the Democrats (having managed to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot during three consecutive national election cycles) just can't deal with being a minority party for the first time in nearly eighty years.

Lest anyone accuse me of being "partisan" (God forbid!), let me point out that not all Republicans are mindless neocon Neanderthals, and most are more concerned with jurisprudence than running roughshod over the Constitution. They (the moderates, AKA "normal people") are more than willing to listen to legitimate objections to nominees. But that's the problem, isn't it?
3.8.2005 12:31am