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The Blogosphere's Fascist Apologists

I love it when so-called "liberals" make themselves the enemies of human rights.

Case in point: Iraqi human rights activist Ali of Iraq the Model has some choice words for Professor Juan Cole. Patterico has some thoughts on some of Cole's online compatriots you should read.

Meanwhile, Armed Liberal over at Winds of Change notes that Juan Cole is playing numbers games with Iraqi opinion polls in order to back his claim that most Iraqis don't care about democracy or pluralism or human rights or any of that touchy-feel crap we're trying to help bring to the Iraqis. Cole actually refers to an opinion poll by the International Republican Institute to back that up.

The IRI, however, released this recent poll, which shows things that Cole doesn't mention at all. What doesn't he mention?

* A majority of Iraqis today feel their country is headed in the right direction, and those who think it's headed in the wrong direction have shrunk dramatically.

* The current interim Prime Minister and President both enjoy approval ratings well over 60%.

* 87% of Iraqis plan to vote in January

* 77% of Iraqis feel that "regular, fair elections" are crucial to their nation's future.

* 67% of Iraqis feel that preserving a single, unified state of Iraq is important.

There are some things to be concerned about in that polling data. A majority of Iraqis say they want Sharia incorporated into the new government. But anyone who reads much about Sharia (beyond right-wing attacks) knows that there are multiple schools of interpretation of Sharia, and multiple Sharia traditions just within Iraq itself. This means any new government is going to have to concentrate on areas of Sharia where there's broad agreement--probably much like the way a broad Christian consensus (rather than radical Christian sect interpretations)informed most of American government in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

The fact that 64% of Iraqis say they prefer "modern" candidates while only 18% say they want "traditional" candidates should help underscore that point I'd think. So should the fact that at least a quarter of the government's seats will be held by women.

Want my predictions for January? To the anguish of both the Islamo-fascists and the WCLs of the world, election turnout will be higher in Iraq than in most Western countries on election day, and very few Iraqis will be deterred by violence. There maybe some incidents of violence but far less than the WCLs of the world are hoping for.

Think I'm overoptimistic? I don't. I think I just have a pretty good understanding of human nature. Especially the nature of human beings who have a decent education (as most Iraqis do) and who already have at least one foot in the modern world (as most Iraqis do)

I made my other predictions in the linked articles below. We'll see how well I do.

But here's my message to Armed Liberal: Isn't it time we stopped referring to people like Juan Cole as liberals? The proper term for them is REACTIONARIES.

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JDS (mail):
I agree Dean. I'm actually quite surprised that very few "liberals" supported the war in Iraq on human rights grounds alone. Other than some of the New Republic folks, I'm not sure of too many on the left that supported it. The arguments of self-described liberals I know personally are indistinguishable from Pat Buchanan's. While I can be, at times, sympathetic to isolationist foreign policy stances, this has rarely, to my knowledge, been the stance of "liberals" in this country until now. I can't help but feel that they oppose the war in Iraq simply because of the man who's running it.

This is not unlike some feminist groups, who complained for years about the Taliban, but basically shrugged their shoulders when the Taliban was overthrown because Bush didn't do it "for the right reasons." It kind of goes back to Type M vs. Type C arguments.
12.16.2004 10:49am
JMG (mail) (www):
I've been annoyed with the way BOTH the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been used in the past several years. I have at least 10 posts on the topic in my archives. I prefer to use the phrases "left-wing" and "right-wing" because the words "liberal" and "conservative" have meanings outside of politics, meanings that are becoming polluted with the idiocies of the extremists on the edges of both wings...
12.16.2004 11:18am
Todd Pearson (mail) (www):
Powerline reports that 80% of Iraqis disfavor a postponement of the elections. Very good news. The situation in Iraq is obviously tenuous, and success is far from assured, but it is a terrible idea to postpone the elections because terrorists are murdering civilians with the goal of causing a postponement of the elections.
12.16.2004 12:01pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Dean Esmay is a true liberal. I refuse to call anyone liberal who is hostile to free thought and free expression, as the Politically Correct are. Anyone who supports dictators like Saddam or Castro or Kim Jong Il is not a liberal.

"Reactionary", "reactionist", "extreme conservative", "ultraconservative", "extreme right-winger", "far-right", "opposed to progress" -- those are are all words I use to describe myself [and holy Dawn and her holy Negro wife Norma]. The _style_!

But, what an irony it is for Dean to fling those words back at the totalitarian Left. Excellent! They are fascists or fascist apologists, too. As H. L. "Bill" Richardson put it: "Communism is Red Fascism, bigoted and extreme, warmongering, hate mongering, corrupt, and ultra reactionary."

By contrast, here is a description of Dean and the Queen:
"...one who loves his country and its institutions, opposes totalitarianism, believes in individual freedom, is not selfish or bigoted, embraces other people's interests, and advocates greater freedom of thought and action."

"Don't get 'shook,' but I've just given you Webster's Dictionary's definition of 'liberal'. If you don't believe me, look it up."

This strategy of recapturing our words and calling things and people what they are has interesting uses. Myself, I also call my enemies on the Right, those such as Bork, Santorum, Lou Sheldon, Robert Knight, Paul Cameron, etc., who are out to change the Constitution, who want Big Brother in our bedrooms, who want to eradicate homosexuality and make everybody the same, etc. -- I call them what they are: radicals, subversives, egalitarians, socialists, statists, collectivists, totalitarians, Communists, One Worlders.

Some would say that my regime on Communism is too stringent. That's the way I am.
12.16.2004 2:49pm
Bryan AWS (mail) (www):
I saw Juan Cole's "response" yesterday which included a few poll numbers that supported his conclusions from the April (?) Gallup poll. But he didn't include a link. Even a link to a news story about the poll. I thought about looking it up, but after fumbling around gallup's site for a few minutes, gave up.

But it was pretty clear that he was cherry-picking numbers (not to mention glossing over potential methodological problems that we are not able to veryify using his post).

Sad, really.
12.16.2004 9:37pm
Mark Noonan (mail) (www):
It all hangs on the elections - and I hope to God that the President is right; I do believe that in the end the Iraqi's will choose freedom - the flipside, if they don't, is war to the knife with these people until one side or the other is completely destroyed.

There were three options open to us on 9/12/01 -
1. Law enforcement plus a few bombs; hardly likely to be effect.

2. Massive, exterminating war against all of Islam.

3. Belief that the Islamic peoples are just like everyone else and if given a genuine free choice, they'll choose to live and build rather than die and destroy.

It could be that after all is said and done that Number 2 is an actual requirement - but I'm willing to give the President's plan all the time we need to prove conclusively one way or the other that it doesn't work.
12.16.2004 10:54pm
Dean Esmay (www):
JMG: I've been annoyed with the way BOTH the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been used in the past several years. I have at least 10 posts on the topic in my archives. I prefer to use the phrases "left-wing" and "right-wing" because the words "liberal" and "conservative" have meanings outside of politics, meanings that are becoming polluted with the idiocies of the extremists on the edges of both wings...

Glad I'm not the only one.
12.17.2004 12:10am
Andrew Ian Dodge (mail) (www):
Yeah but calling someone "left-wing" or "right-wing" isn't accurate either because the left-right line paradigm is terribly inaccurate. For instance, are libertarians "right-wingers" as the left loves to call us or what? Right-wing to me denotes authoritarian which I am certainly am not.

I refer to people like myself, Jon Pearce and even Dean as "classical liberals".
12.17.2004 8:29am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Libertarians are perceived to be on the Right because they value liberty over equality. But you're right, we need at least a 2-dimensional spectrum.
12.17.2004 3:27pm