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Get Firefox!Over 20% of Dean's World readers now use Firefox. Why? Because it's a faster, more secure, more reliable web browser than Internet Explorer.

The official version 1.0 (earlier versions were still betas) was released today. You can download it for free right here. Well what are you waiting for? You know, companies like Apple and Microsoft ought to just adopt this as their official browser.

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BigFire (mail):
What am I waiting for? For one thing, the place is slashdotted...
11.9.2004 4:06pm
caltechgirl:
got it! Love it. This was the most painless upgrade install I've ever run. Firefox Rules! Thanks for letting me know it's available :)
11.9.2004 4:10pm
ilyka (www):
Damn slashdot. But you know, Dean, I am one of your converts in this regard. Tabs! Why didn't someone tell me about wonderful wonderful awesome tabby-tab-tabs sooner? Now I can't live without them.
11.9.2004 4:11pm
Boyd (www):
One of the things that really pisses me off about how Mozilla handles this is the breakage of so many extensions when an upgrade is first released. Of course, I'm pissed with myself, too, because I never remember that upgrading is going to rip the heart out of my Firefox browsing.

14 of 22 installed Extensions don't have upgrades yet. I'll guess I'll have to go back to tapping my fingers, eagerly awaiting their arrival.

Oh, plus the fact that I can't log into Dean's World for comments when I use Firefox, only with IE.

Grrr. But I'll be okay. I just need my pacifier.
11.9.2004 4:22pm
Jerry Kondraciuk:
Tried Firefox, didn't like it... I'm an IE clone. :)
11.9.2004 4:25pm
Midgard (mail):
I'm kind of liking Maxthon's Browser myself. In addition to tabs, popup blocking, etc. it has one really great feature ... in-page ad blocking. If an ad isn't in the blacklist, you can set it up so you just right click on the ad image, hit "Add to AD Hunter" and it's gone for good. Nice webpage de-crapper. I don't zap the Blogads though ;)
11.9.2004 5:29pm
Heather (mail) (www):
Anyone here tried Avant Browser yet? It uses the IE engine, but has all the fun features like tabs, skins, etc. I used it exclusively now.
11.9.2004 6:02pm
Paul Burgess (www):
I downloaded and installed the "official release" of Firefox 1.0 for Linux early this morning. Overall, it seems so far to be working very smoothly.

I remain a dedicated user of Opera, but I've come to suspect that Firefox is the browser which is destined to take a real bite out of IE's market share. I mean, Firefox just works. Its interface is clean and intuitive. Firefox 1.0 is a cool browser, and it thoroughly deserves the success I expect awaits it.
11.9.2004 6:21pm
Brian Tiemann (mail) (www):
Thanks, but no thanks. Firefox may be a fine alternative to IE on the Windows side, but just because Safari is built-in on the Mac doesn't mean it's the equivalent of IE. Safari is every bit as capable, way more clean and integrated into the OS, and doesn't suffer from bad-port-itis the way Firefox does. The porters did their best, and I applaud them for it, but a few dialog sheets and an OS-X-lookalike-(but-not-quite) activity spinner, and Safari-lookalike address and Google bars, do not a native app make.

Granted, Firefox is faster at large table layout than Safari (pretty much anything is), but the font handling and form widgets are quite hideous, and Camino (also a Mozilla project) is a good deal more OS X-like with its form elements, if not its font handling, and is faster than Firefox from my experiments.

By all means, get FireFox if you're a Windows or Linux user. But it's no boon to the Mac side, beyond providing more competition to the field-- certainly not a small thing, that, but far less meaningful than on Windows.

Mac users have a far different relationship with Apple software than Windows users do with Microsoft software, remember. ;)
11.9.2004 6:51pm
Chris Reid (www):
Boyd: 20% of Dean's World readers (including myself) seem to do fine commenting with Firefox...
11.9.2004 8:19pm
Sandi (www):
I'm with Boyd. A year ago I installed Firefox twice. It doesn't run properly with jirc (jpilot) and redirects you to Firefox home page with no explaination when you [yes] click the mandatory jirc popup applet. Firefox support had no answers.

For now I am sticking with IE and Opera.
11.9.2004 9:10pm
Dean Esmay (www):
Brian: I suspect that if Apple adopted Firefox they would put some resources into adapting its interface to be more truly Mac-ish. This is easy, especially since Firefox is skinnable.

I'm not dissing Safari, as it's a fine browser (although there are a few sites I can't get to load on it). Hell, Safari uses some of the same open-source technologies as Firefox if I recall correctly. It's just my view that, once you have a fast, reliable, stable open-source option, why should any company reinvent the wheel? Why not adopt it, customize it to your customers' needs, and just use it? Apple has already done this with OS X, since under the hood OS X is just FreeBSD *nix, but with a beautifully crafted front end. Now I merely suggest that they are wasting man-hours at Apple if they continue to develop a completely separate browser when they could be putting their resources into other things.
11.9.2004 10:22pm
Boyd (www):
Chris: I'm under no illusions about it being a pervasive problem. Regardless of whether it works for anyone else, though, it doesn't work for me. There's no obvious answer to why it happens.

Also, I've noticed that each tab quivers a bit, picking up on the quiver of the tab to its left, so by the time it gets four or five tabs across, the rightmost tab quivers so much it's hit-or-miss if I can click on the close-this-tab X.

I'm not too happy with 1.0, especially compared to 1.0PR.
11.9.2004 11:04pm
Chris Reid (www):
Hey, they finally added a "Go" button. Sweet. Also, it seems noticably faster than 1.0PR, unless I'm just hallucinating.
11.9.2004 11:20pm
Dean Esmay (www):
Boyd: Probably a conflict somewhere in something you're running. I'm just not seeing any of that here.
11.9.2004 11:32pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Boyd,

Did you make sure to unblock popups? Also, might you have overly strict javascript options in firefox but not IE?
11.9.2004 11:50pm
Jeff Licquia (mail) (www):
Safari uses the Konquerer browser engine, which is the main browser for the KDE UI. It's open source.

And as for logging in: this post should prove that it's possible. Though I am using Linux, not Windows, and I'm still on RC4, not the final.
11.10.2004 12:23am
Brian Tiemann (mail) (www):
Well, if they brought Firefox in-house, they'd still be wasting man-hours on it, wouldn't they? :)

The whole idea of Safari is that it leverages the KHTML engine, which they decided on rather than Gecko in the initial design phase because the license terms were better and the architecture was much cleaner. Apple does the development in-house and publishes any KHTML changes back to the open-source codebase.

The upshot is that if Apple were to develop a browser based on Gecko (which is all Firefox is-- a multiplatform wrapper for Gecko), it would essentially become exactly what Safari is now, except that they'd have less control over engine changes and less ability to bundle it according to terms favorable to them (as I understand it). We'd have Firefox on Windows and Linux, and a Gecko-based Safari on Mac. Not materially different from what we have, from a user standpoint, and a good deal more limiting from Apple's standpoint.
11.10.2004 12:25am
Sam Muldia (mail) (www):
I use a Mac at work, and am quite happy using Safari on it (in fact I'm doing it now). I'd prefer Firefox due to mouse gestures, but since this plastic blob Apple calls a mouse has no rightclicking anyway, the point is moot.
11.10.2004 3:26am
Little Miss Attila (mail) (www):
When they first came out with mice for PCs, the second button was added almost immediately.

"I didn't like the machine at that office, a friend was heard saying. "Its mouse had too many buttons."

"How many was that?"

"Two."

I'm pretty happy with Safari; it certainly beats the heck out of Explorer.
11.10.2004 4:47am
htom (mail):
I'll install it in a day or so, but I'm still happy using Opera. If Firefox becomes the hot new thing, it may wind up being as attacked as IE. :(
11.10.2004 1:00pm
Sam Muldia (mail) (www):
Actually the main selling point of Safari for me (like everything on the Mac), other than the tabs and non-IE-ness, is the aesthetic value. OSX and everything in it just looks so... slick. I've got my PC skinned up the wazoo, and it looks nice... but there's always some little annoying seam. Mac GUI design is so... contiguous.

Well, except for that ugly beach ball. Ugh. What were they thinking?
11.10.2004 1:21pm
Sigivald (mail):
Firefox is like molasses on my (admittedly old) G4, and Safari isn't.

So I don't use Firefox. And I like IE on Windows.

Part of this is my longstanding hatred of all things Netscape-related.

YMMV.
11.10.2004 2:01pm
B. Durbin (www):
Sam - I have a Mac, but one of the first things I did was get a three-button Kensington mouse. OSX has the ability to use multi-button mice without extra drivers, just plug in and go.

I can't stand one-button mice...
11.10.2004 2:06pm
Timothy Snyder:
I would rather have a dead skunk hanging off the edge of my monitor than EVER run IE. Firefox 1.0 installed and ran smoothly on my system. No complaints.
11.10.2004 9:17pm
Chris Reid (www):
Other than the fact that they are called "Bookmarks" instead of "Favourites", I really don't see much Netscape left in Firefox.
11.10.2004 9:38pm
Sam Muldia (mail) (www):
Well, the Mac's not mine (Dual G4), I just use it occasionally. My own machine is a P4, of course, and I also have an old G3 running OS9 (ugh) for simple tasks that require a Mac (although mostly it just acts as my monitor stand).

Since the Mac guy is anal about Macs Have One-Button Mice, I'm stuck with the blob while using the G4, and I haven't a clue where to get a mouse that'll work with the G3 (no USB).
11.11.2004 3:09pm
Kevin Murphy (mail) (www):
Microsoft, contrary to accepted wisdom, killed Netscape with superior product. Looks like the worm has turned. Firefox is my first new browser since IE 3.0

Anyone care to comment on the email side of things? I like my MSOE for most tasks, and am used to it. Why should I switch? How is the multiple account handling and attachment/Registry integration? These were big problems before.
11.12.2004 3:02pm