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Rightwing LIARS!

It's an article of faith: Bush is not-very-bright but has the common touch. Kerry is the bright aristocrat.

Too bad it turns out that, even according to the New York Times, Bush has a higher I.Q. than Kerry.

No, it couldn't possibly be true, could it?

Must be all rightwing lies.

Via Der Professor, who understands that verbal proficiency = intelligence and general correctness.

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Paul Burgess (www):
Oh well, the faithful can always resort to that timeworn first line of defense against any mention of IQ's: "IQ? (*shrug*) That doesn't really mean much, anyway."
10.25.2004 5:29pm
Mark Jaquith (www):
But... Kerry uses such big words! :-D

Here's a link to the article that doesn't require registration:

NYT: Secret Weapon for Bush?
10.25.2004 5:44pm
Ted Armstrong (mail):
As the professor so artfully comments, "Heh."

I've always thought that piloting a jet fighter takes more mental horsepower than piloting a boat on a river. Make a mistake and you die, very quickly and very secularly - but you do save the cost of a full size coffin.
10.25.2004 6:04pm
Ted Armstrong (mail):
That should have been spectacularly. Clearly I should NOT be piloting jet fighters.
10.25.2004 6:05pm
Rachel Ann Anolick (mail) (www):
FIRST: One can have intelligence and not wisdom. An IQ test measures intellectual potential; what one does with that potential is something else.

SECOND: I don't know enough about the two types of Officer Qualification Test to any firm statement, but some questions that I have about the tests:
1)are the candidates (for becoming an officer) permitted to take the tests more than once? If so, how many times did each of these two people take the test?
2)how different were the tests? Were they basically one type of test with two different names or was specific knowledge required of each of them? All evidence that I have seen so far seems to point to the tests being equivalent, but I would still like to know more about it.

THIRD: While I want my president smart, I don't think he or she needs to be a genius. There are other needs as well. I always felt it rather foolish to care how Bush says NUCLEAR and there is some indication that he knows how it is prounouced but just is playing a good ole boy game. (Which would upset me greatly if true. I can handle speech impediment but not a false personna.) There are a lot of factors that go into who gets my vote.

And not, that isn't a statement about my choice; it is a statemnt about what goes into making my choice, and why this revelation wouldn't affect my vote one way or another.
10.25.2004 6:18pm
IB Bill (mail) (www):
Dean, it's not according to the New York Times. The NY Times quotes VDare. I thought I was going to original research by the NY Times.
10.25.2004 7:27pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Bill,

You thought that a major newspaper was going to do original research?!?!?!?

What planet are you living on? ;-)
10.25.2004 7:52pm
Ru:
the fact that the results were extrapolated by a conservative columnist rather dents that whole article. But, as was said, who cares about their IQ their both obviously reasonably intelligent.
10.25.2004 8:08pm
Chris Reid (www):
IQ tests were invented by neocon propoganda machines -- namely one million chimps on one million typewriters. They are not to be taken seriously, and anyone who thinks otherwise should be arrested for questioning my patriotism.
10.25.2004 8:09pm
Ru:
Those damn chimps and their damn type writers. They also wrote that noted Right propoganda sheet, "The Complete Works Of Shakespere"
10.25.2004 8:18pm
Dani:
Ted-
I'm sure, with the right training you could be piloting jet fighters, but if you went down, you just wouldn't be <i>praying</i> ;-)
10.25.2004 9:58pm
Dani:
And I shouldn't be using HTML
10.25.2004 9:59pm
John Irving (mail):
Is this chimp day or something?
10.25.2004 11:34pm
Wince and Nod (mail) (www):
Hey! I like IQ tests! They're fun!

Yours,
Wince
10.25.2004 11:48pm
John Irving (mail):
I piss off IQ testers. Living proof there is no direct correlation between IQ and success.
10.26.2004 12:08am
Dean Esmay (www):
Ru: the fact that the results were extrapolated by a conservative columnist rather dents that whole article. But, as was said, who cares about their IQ their both obviously reasonably intelligent.

That is the same conservative that said Gore had a higher IQ and nobody had a problem with his ideology in 2000. Why is that?
10.26.2004 1:03am
Rosemary Esmay (www):
Sorry that last comment was me - not Dean...
10.26.2004 1:04am
John Irving (mail):
Hey, no crossdressing! You'll confuse the easily confused. . . Rosemary, right?
10.26.2004 1:10am
Donald S. Crankshaw (mail) (www):
I thought this was fascinating, although I tend to think that IQ is a very poor measure of Presidential qualities. As I said on my own blog, smarter people are more likely to be technocrats than leaders. Kofi Annan, who went to MIT's business school, as opposed to George Bush (who went to Harvard's).
10.26.2004 1:34am
Jim Ausman (mail):
They are obviously both pretty smart and both just as obviously not geniuses. I would have given Kerry the edge, but you can't always tell from how well a person speaks.
10.26.2004 2:15am
Chris Reid (www):
Bush is better at speaking than Stephen Hawking...
10.26.2004 9:56am
Robin Munn (mail):
It's actually the third, unrelated, section of that NYTimes article that I want to comment on. The one titled "Vote Your Way to a Fat Wallet". The one where the author utterly fails to graps the point.

"Your vote matters, [the get-out-the-vote ads] keep saying, but it doesn't. No matter what state you live in, you have a much better chance of being struck by lightning on the way to the polls than of casting a decisive ballot in the presidential election," he says.

What an idiot. Hasn't he thought it through? Of course my individual ballot isn't going to affect the election. (And I wouldn't want it to — can you imagine how long the recount arguments would last if any state's results turned out to have just a one-vote majority?) But what if I, on that basis, decide not to head to the polls — and so does Joe down the street, and Frank, and Susan, and Donald, and Helen, and Mary?

There's a very effective get-out-the-vote radio commericial I heard the other day that utterly refutes his "your individual vote doesn't count, so why bother?" premise. It opens with a single person saying dejectedly, "What difference does it make? My vote doesn't count." He is then joined by about a dozen other people, who say, in unison, "What difference does it make? My vote doesn't count." Then there's what sounds like an auditorium full of people, and finally an entire football stadium full of people, all saying in chorus, "What difference does it make? My vote doesn't count."

But this notion — that their vote has little power on its own, but great power considered with everyone else's vote — seems to have escaped the author. Either that, or else he truly understands it, but thinks that his readers don't. But the other go-to-the-polls motivation he presents — that people think of it as a civic duty, and that's going to benefit you because it makes you look trustworthy — is extremely weak. (Not to mention repulsive, at least to me. Do your civic duty because it'll gain you benefits? No! Do your civic duty because it's a duty, you jerk! Remember the word "duty"? That which is "due" to one's parents, or one's superior officers, or one's society? No, if you're saying "Do your duty because that will benefit you" than you don't understand the word in the least.)

Ahem. Where did that soapbox come from? I'll get off now. As I was saying, the argument "Do your civic duty because it will benefit you in other ways" is extremely weak. Those who understand the concept of duty don't need to hear it, and those who don't understand the concept will say, "Sure, whatever. Derive some intangible "trustworthiness" benefit from people who won't ever know whether or not I actually voted? Yeah, right. If my vote really won't count, like you're saying, then I'll save my time and stay home."

Personally, I'd be just as glad if people who think that way did stay home rather than vote. I'd rather trust America's future to the hands of those who understand the concept of duty and self-sacrifice (even if the sacrifice is just an hour or two of their time) than those who have to find a benefit for themselves in everything they do. Somehow I suspect the former group is going to make wiser choices than the latter: after all, it's the hallmark of the adolescent mindset to believe that the world revolves around oneself, and it's the adult who has the maturity to recognize that this is not so. I'd much rather have adults running the country, thank you; the thought of adolescents (no matter what their physical age may be) running the country scares me. So if they listen to Mr. Tierney say "Your vote really doesn't matter" and stay home, that's just fine by me.

As for me, on November 2nd, I'll be at the polls. Doing my civic duty.
10.26.2004 11:48am
Chris Reid (www):
Robin, take it a step further: what is the point of these stupid programs trying to influence people to vote? If someone doesn't care enough about the future of their country to get off their fat ass and vote, then I don't want them deciding who'll be my leader.

A friend of mine strongly supports the idea of a mandatory vote -- a system where you get fined if you don't vote. Man, I can't believe how stupid that is -- not just because it'd be such a blatant contradiction to freedom, but because it'd simply force a bunch of idiots who don't give a rat's ass to decide who runs the friggin' country. And take into account considerably less than 50% of the population (of Canada) votes as it is, that means the *majority* of voters would be these very non-caring politically-shallow people. It would quite literally boil down to whoever's name appears on the ballot first, wins.

Okay, horribly digressive rant over now.
10.26.2004 7:23pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Chris,

You go too far by saying that people who don't vote are shallow. They may, for example, simply be too humble to vote — it's not a wholely unreasonable position to think oneself not a good enough judge of men to try to judge them.

A person might conclude that since every major presidential candidate is some form of centrist, and that in the worst case they'll be gone in 4 years, it's not worth their time to be informed (being informed is, after all, difficult and time consuming) and so they'll leave voting to the millions of their fellow citizens who care to spend their time figuring out who to vote for, since their fellow citizens haven't screwed up too badly yet.

Politics is only a means to an end. Democracy is not holy, votes are not sacred. Democracy is the best way that fallible man has so far found to have as good a government as he can get in this world of sin and woe. If a man notices that the world won't fall apart if he in particular doesn't vote in this election, and decides to take advantage of that, it's a mark of faith in the system.

We live in a society where labor is divided amongst its members. If some of them choose not to do the labor of voting because enough people are doing that labor so that the system works, how is that bad? It's hardly reasonable to assume that if somehow the system screwed up and Kerry turned out to be as bad as some of us think that he will be, I bet you that most of these people who had relied on the sense of the rest of us would stop doing so and vote in the 2008 election.

There are very few things that would work if everyone did them at the same time; if everyone drove to work at exactly the same time, the traffic would be unbearable. If everyone called their parents at the exact same moment, the phone network would be horribly clogged. If everyone turned on all of their lights (and other electronic appliances, such as hair driers) at the same time the energy grid would fail. If everyone were a politician no one would grow food and we'd all starve to death.

And I think that politicians generally know that if they ever were truly egregious, the non-voting masses would rise up and throw them out. They also serve who only stand and wait.
10.26.2004 8:18pm
caltechgirl:
Chris Reid--

I've seen both Bush and Stephen Hawking live, and I have to agree with you, although I think the reason I slept through half of Hawking was because I had waited in the sun half a day to get a good seat, and it was cool and cushy in the auditorium.

Funny, though, for a man without the ability to use comedic timing, Hawking is really hilarious. Master of the one liner.
10.27.2004 6:17pm
Chris Reid (www):
caltechgirl: If I had the choice, I would definitely see Hawking over Bush live. Not only because he's a genius, but because I can't stand hearing Bush talk. Sorry dude, I support you, but you annoy the living hell outta me.
10.27.2004 10:15pm