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Live From The Moon: Alan Keyes (Joe Gandelman)

We've had GREAT fun on our blog The Moderate Voice just reporting on (supposedly) Republican candidate Alan Keyes' campaign pronouncements in Illinois.

Keyes is proving to be King of the Sound Byte — but come election day he may be King of the Electoral Debacle, since his pronouncements are to the right what Dennis Kucinich' are to the left. Even many Republicans cringe. And how can you resist not linking to a news report like this new one?

U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes told a rally Saturday that incest was "inevitable" for children raised by gay couples because the children might not know both biological parents.

"If we do not know who the mother is, who the father is, without knowing all the brothers and sisters, incest becomes inevitable," Keyes told the Marquette Park rally held to oppose same-sex marriages.

"Whether they mean it or not, that is what will happen. If you are masked from your knowing your biological parents, you are in danger of encountering brothers and sisters you have no knowledge of."

But what's the big deal? Incest is relative...

Oh, we will miss Alan Keyes when the election is over and he goes back to collecting even fatter speaking fees and is probably given a new cable or radio talk show due to his nuclear-bomb-laced rhetoric (is there an opening at Crossfire?).

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The Black Republican (mail) (www):
I just wish all these "God" people would just shut the hell up so we can get back to our good, old-fashioned hedonism.
10.17.2004 5:02pm
John Irving (mail):
Damn right!
10.17.2004 6:32pm
TC Lynch (mail) (www):
I watched him in a debate with Obama this morning. The sheer level of lunacy that some of his pronouncements achieved was breathtaking.
10.17.2004 7:07pm
Jane (mail) (www):
By this logic, adopted children are also at risk. What a dumb bunny.
10.17.2004 8:08pm
Dave (mail) (www):
Didn't Keyes used to be sane? Or did he just forget the contents of Logic 101? I'll allow (but ONLY because I haven't done the research) the possibility that he might not be a bigot, just someone who 'hates the sin' and doesn't have a tactful bone in his body. But come on, he's making so many leaps of assumption in that excerpt that he might as well be Ralph Frickin Nader.

Even if he were talking on a less volatile subject, such lack of reason would make me want to cast him out of the Republican Party. Unfortunately, that's not within my power, so I'll just shun him and miss Jack Ryan. Not that I'm in Illinois anyway.
10.17.2004 9:14pm
M. Scott Eiland (mail):
Can anyone get me some action on Keyes losing the election by 110%? I like my chances of winning that bet at this point.
10.17.2004 9:34pm
The Black Republican (mail) (www):
Remind me never to be sarcastic at Dean's World.
10.17.2004 9:38pm
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):
Accidental incest. Now there's a high priority problem we all need to be concerned about.
10.17.2004 10:20pm
Annoying Old Guy (mail) (www):
Mr. Eiland;

Unlikely. Keyes is going to get a higher percentage than expected because he'll get a lot of protest votes. One can safely vote for Keyes because you know he's not going to win anyway and if you really dislike Obama ...
10.17.2004 10:47pm
Terry Ott (mail):
"Even many Republicans cringe", you say. That is kind of off the mark, methinks. "Most Republicans", "nearly all", "virtually all", "all except the most seriously mentally challenged", "all Republicans who wore shoes before they were nine years old" those would be better terms. In fact, the cringing must be confined almost solely to Republicans. For anyone on the other side of this election, they would be howling with unrestrained glee at the inanity of this remark.

Obviously, Da Coach would have been a better choice after all. Good grief. The Onion could never do an article mocking this guy. Unless they asked him to write it himself, that is.
10.18.2004 12:24am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I am a selfish hedonist/egoist/aesthete -- proudly. I am a Lesbian-worshipper, a man's man-admirer, a gun-admirer, dogmatic, intolerant, extremist, absolutist, deviant, sex-obsessed, a MasturHater -- proudly. If that leads me to the fate of Oedipus, if that makes me a Nazi in the blined eyes of a certain commenter here, if that damns me to the flames of Hell -- then so be it.
10.18.2004 12:40am
Bryan C (mail) (www):
Geez. Yes, Keyes' used to be sane. I remember hearing him a lot back in the early 90's when he was a frequent guest on local conseravative talk radio shows. Maybe he was a little strident about certain issues, but at least they were real issues and not imaginary stuff like this. I wonder what happened to the poor guy.
10.18.2004 1:20am
Dean Esmay (www):
Perhaps he's channeling the ghost of Mort Downey Jr.
10.18.2004 1:39am
Janelle :
Black Republican, you just cracked me up! I have said things and then go back and realize people sure don't know me and it could have come off wrong. No problem here in Dean's World. We have all goofed and double posted and been hysterical to tell you the truth. I swear I am not going to post and the next day or two or whatever...I'm back!

No, I sincerely appreciate the sites you gave me today. Since Kerry is Catholic and stands in good faith I was seriously trying to understand his reasons for some of his positions. I don't believe in abortion but my goodness, what kind of person would I be if I said anything to hurt a woman that felt it was her only choice? I was at a table and through my Dad we did right and the guy that done me wrong was never discussed since he was sorta famous. I worked with birthmother's and birthfather's and never once brought out that guys name due to the severity of what happened. He ended up with his own fate and I would never bring him up until things are right for my birthson in getting royalties.

Anyway, Kerry is getting a class action suit against him and the big wig in the catholic religion is asking for people to sign their petition rather you are a believer or not. I was stunned to see the things listed on Kerry and he is going to change the way Mexico is!?!

WTW is he doing? That list stunned me. Christian or not and many here are not so I am not trying to say anything other than why do these two men profess their religion and then go slam a door to something worthy of. Look at what is happening to gays....geez!

Yep Keyes is a bit ahhh...I'm so many things &certainly, well, and this guy? Yep Dean, he is channeling. Maybe he can go see Shirley McLain. Come to think of it, I just bet those two were in a previous life together and this could explain the unknown equasion here. My birthson living in Washington is into USO's and feels that maybe Jesus was married to Mary...via, the big selling book The Davincy Code!?! Woah, way out there. He does have a great web site and has been on radio many times because of his near death experience and absolutely believes in UFO's.

Geez...he is a writer too, poor kid.
10.18.2004 3:29am
Catch 22:
"Since Kerry is Catholic and stands in good faith".

For catholics there are some “non-negotiable” moral principles objectively taught that do not admit of exception or compromise even for Catholic politicians. How one follows those principles is another matter. This is a faith issue not a (public) political issue. So one is not likely to find public commentary on them.

John Kerry being in public disagreemnet with one of said issues, cannot therefore be accurately described as standing in "good faith" yet the public perception is that he is.

With respect to the Da Vinci Code there is a young writer who has a wonderful book called Decoding Da Vinci that some readers may find of value.
10.18.2004 4:12am
Janelle :
Catch, thank you for spelling out the book I referred to. I have been reading Amy's site and several authors web sites since my son brought it up to me earlier this year.

He was raised Catholic by his natural parents (that is how I have always felt adoptive parents are because they grew their child from within and around their hearts). He like so many of us have gone through periods of pain and turmoil and left our beginning roots in faith that were instilled in us. His pain of course was wondering where he got his blue eyes, blonde hair, and did his birthmother love him like his parents had promised she had, (me). He wanted to know so many things and wandered into drugs and things and then he left home at an early age with huge questions about his catholic roots and so much more.

I listened to him when he explained to me the book written becaue he absolutely knows I will not judge him. He wants to go to France in 2005 and asked me if I would like to come because of thousands of people going there for spiritual reasons. He is a wonderful young man and he is very smart Catch. He sincerely had a near death experience and has done some outstanding work on UFO's and spirits. I treasure him and his wife dearly. She is so wonderful to me even tho' my son and I had a bad spat leaving us going in seperate ways for a bit. He knew and so did I that we would get together again.

This Kerry stuff is getting to me and I just do not know how to feel about some major issues like the stem cell. I am a believer in God and this does trouble me so I do appreciate the way Bush seems to be handling it. I just don't know. And I do have my own private feelings on gay marriage because there again I do not want to judge. My opinion isn't worth the size of a pinto bean on this issue. I want less government and want them to keep out of my spiritual walk. My Mother was a devout Catholic for many years and then left to find peace in another place and that is really all that mattered to me. She was my Mother and she gave me life. I sat at her bedside reading the bible to her because I remembered her favorite passages and she had an angelic face as she passed on. It was just me and my Mom and that was one of the most beautiful experience of my life to know it was I who helped her go home.

This has been a very powerful 24 hours for me and it was good indeed and I know Dean understands me more and more. He was not of my era only born into the 60's but his intelligence is amazing as many of you know. He surely is a good man and this MaMa is proud of him. I love how we kept a secret from so many people who this Janelle was. He has so often in my life been a role reversal. That happens when a Mom is so young. I was a young MaMa and he has always protected me.

Well, Kerry I am beginning to understand so much more now due to some pretty terrific folks here in Dean's World.

Good Night, or Good Morning.
10.18.2004 4:51am
Casey Tompkins (mail) (www):
Hey, I'm not worried. We'll just spray the kids with incest repellant.

Heh.

Ah say;- Ah say we'll spray 'em with... never mind... :)
10.18.2004 1:52pm
Sigivald (mail):
Shouldn't Keyes thus be against all adoption, then, not just that by gays? (And what about all the children who don't know their fathers, anyway? What about all their half-brothers and half-sisters they don't know about?)

Christ. Of all the utterly useless objections one could have to gay parenting, this ... I mean, damn. Words do not suffice.

(And, hell, I think it at least plausible that one could make some sort of non-stupid argument against gay parenting (though I don't know whether that non-stupid argument would be right or wrong). This, however, isn't even close to that.)
10.18.2004 5:19pm
Janelle :
Sigivaid,

The subject of adoption touches one out of three people. The personal bit above has not a thing to do with Gay from me personally. There are subjects that touch the very inner core of people and it took me twenty years to come out of a closet so to speak. I was the young girl that slipped out of sight.

Closets of all kinds have opened and I could never imagine trying to run for office today. It took how many years for a truth to come out about Abe Lincoln and his black mistress.

There are many many children that do not know who their birthfather is and I understand that so very much. It was in the 80's that I found my son and he was 20. I did not want to hurt his Mother, his Natural Mother nor His Natural, Real Father, the parents that raised my child...you see, he wasn't brought here to be mine. He went to a wonderful family that adopted two more children. My sons father was in the Air Force and raised his three children. He is a fine fine mine and of course I love and adore my son's parents.

I was one woman with a secret, one young mother that held that secret in for the love and respect of my own Mother and Father. My Mother was in the hospital and then our world was turned upside down. It was not until my Father left this world that I would ever mention this guy that had lied to thousands of teens accross this country about his true age and had my parents gone public....let's just say, one day, one day.

Through my work with birthmother's, birthfather's, adoptee's and adoptive (natural parents) I found a great big world out there of hurting silent people. When I was in Nevada for a huge convention I saw there was a class for birthfahter's...that took me by surprize, totally....my child's birthfather was killed so I truly did not realize the men that wondered when the girl left back in the 40's, 50's &60's.

Maybe you would like a book by Ronald Regan's son...it is, "Twice Adopted" it is an indepth story of how President Regan's son was torn to pieces and then sexually molested and he too kept a secret and he felt since he would hve been considered a bastard then he was an awful person and his story is of a man struggling with a famous father and how he found freedom and surrender and peace and understanding in God.
10.18.2004 7:11pm
Janelle :
Giggle giggle, I like the bug spray idea but should it be safe for the enviorment!?! See, no matter what, somebody is gonna say somethin'...

President Reagan, good grief Charlie Brown, no wonder I need a secretay, but Mr. Pips keeps me company. R E A G A N...sure did like that fella.
10.18.2004 8:24pm
Ken (mail) (www):
Holy crap! Did a rabid anti-abortionist just speak out against adoption? What the Hell is this guy smoking?

Or is it only gay adoption that brings the adopted children in contact with their birth siblings? How does that work, exactly?
10.18.2004 9:40pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
The boast I wrote above was in reference to Keyes's attack on Mary Cheney as a "selfish hedonist" because she loves another woman. I therefore admire Mary Cheney and I oppose and condemn Alan Keyes and all others who share his moral premise.
10.19.2004 1:59am
Janelle :
That was nice and kindly of you Ken.

Steven, I understand you and you are a good man.
10.19.2004 9:30pm