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Iraq Occupation Problems: U.S. Has "Been There/Done That" In Italy (Joe Gandelman)

A fascinating post from Calblog (which must be a blog located in Louisiana) about the fact that there are definite parallels to be seen in the problems facing post-World War II occupied Italy and today's post-war Iraq. How do we know? Calblog quotes a November 27, 1943 issue of Collier's magazine with the cover headline: "Can Italy Learn Democracy?"

Read this post and you can see that Iraq's growing pains are not unprecedented (and Italy emerged intact, with democracy blossoming again). Pointing to the Colliers piece, Calblog notes:"There's no timeline for elections there. Parts of Italy, though Mussolini was toppled, were still controlled by the Germans. Badoglio didn't have peace throughout the whole country yet..."
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Dean Esmay (www):
Yep. They said the same things about Japan and Germany, both of which had very similar difficulties.

Iraq is a little different only in that terrorists from neighboring countries are coming in to the country to make problems. But even though that's so, we know the vast majority of Iraqis want democracy and despise the terrorists.
9.26.2004 2:48am
Samuel Tai (mail):
Actually, the parallels from post-WWII continue to astound. Germany and Italy experienced influxes of Red Brigades, which attempted to disrupt the transition to democracy and install communism. Japan, being an island, saw much less of this, but had home-grown anti-democrats to worry about.

We did it before; we'll do it again.
9.26.2004 4:34am
Arnold Harris (mail):
An even better example I remember was Greece. After the German armed forces withdrew from the southern Balkans in late 1944, British forces landed in Greece and tried to re-establish self-government there under the pre-war monarchy.

A terrible civil war ensued, with communist-led forces supported from Jugoslavia, Albania and Bulgaria to the north. The troubles did not end until the late 1940s, then broke out again some 20 years later when a right-wing military junta took over the country for a number of years.

And in Greece still today there are leftist gangs that occasionally practice terror against targets of opportunity.

Sort of like a virus that hides for a long time and periodically returns.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
9.26.2004 11:30am
nedludd (mail):
Take a look a the comments made by Allen Dulles in 1945 to the council on Foreign Relations about post war Germany.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20031101facomment82601/
allen-w-dulles/that-was-then-allen-w-

dulles-on-the-occupation-of-germany.html

No mater how smart you are, history will march on.
9.27.2004 4:11am
Dean Esmay (www):
Hmm, Ned. Your link got broken up, but I believe this is what you wanted us to look at.
9.27.2004 4:29am