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For Connie, Whom I Love, And My Other Cranky Conservative Friends

In this thread, the amazing Mrs. Connie du Toit observed the following about Dean Esmay:

Without coming off as too personal, your last paragraph really helped me to understand how you view these things and why you sort of like these [national political] conventions. As opposed to someone like me who hates them.

Unless the race has been close and the convention determines who the candidate will actually be for that party, I see these conventions as little more than an annoyance and a circus side show. It's all fluff and no substance. (And I hate fluff and no substance.)

Well my dear, they have become exactly what you say they have, and yet they still serve the same national purpose that they have always served. Which is why I still watch them, and still view them as matters of grave national import. Even if they have become pale shadows of what they once were.

They work, and they matter. And here is my explanation to Mrs. du Toit as to why that is so. This is also a response to my conservative friends, which in part explains that while I often find myself allied with some of your causes, I am not always one of you.

I post the following realizing that most of my readers will not understand much of what I say. I'm sure most people will find it high-falutin' and hopelessly complex. Yet this may be as close as I ever come to explaining my view of American governance.

Connie: It has been a long and difficult journey, my view of politics. Without getting too silly, I often astonish myself with the positions I wind up taking. Not because I'm so fucking brilliant, but because I find myself saying things that at other points in my life I could never have imagined myself saying.

At one point I was a hard-core, Reagan hating, Bush hating Democrat. Then I became a Libertarian Party member who thought fondly of Ross Perot. For a brief while, I considered myself a Conservative Republican (my flirtation with the clown Limbaugh helped, although I always disagreed with some of his stances). I signed on as a Republican for a brief while because the Contract With America struck me as a mostly-healthy agenda (a mostly-healthy agenda which mostly passed into law, by the way, despite what some would like to tell you).

When I was a businessman, I became very against the Federal government, very against the Clinton administration. My tax burden, especially as a low-income business owner, was genuinely oppressive--my monthly tax bill exceeded what I spent on food, gasoline, and rent combined (which is easy if you are self-employed and making less than $40,000 a year or so). I got in trouble with the IRS at one point and during that time I truly hated the Federal government. I was by any Democrat's definition a "little guy" (God I hate that term) and the IRS was pressing down on me and my new, pregnant wife while she sat in a hospital bed nearly dying, and they were on us like the Thumb of God.

But Tim McVeigh blew up that building and killed those kids. For about five minutes after that happened I thought, "yeah, the Federal Government was asking for it!" Then I realized what I was thinking.

Fast forward: 9/11 happened. Everything changed for me. Everything. I am still annoyed with people who smirk at that. I realized then that whatever else happened, whatever burdens my government placed upon me, whatever disagreements I had with other Americans about our government's policies or actions, I was an American and I owed that as my allegiance first and foremost, and little else in the final analysis mattered. In looking back, I also realized that many of the things I used to think about politicians I once criticized was excessively negative and somewhat naive.

For we are the first, last, best hope of mankind. We are a bastion of freedom and squabbling, hopelessly fractious yet functional democratic republicanism. We are a kind, generous, wonderful, sometimes crass and stupid people. We are a bulwark against the darkness of totalitarianism, fascism, communism, theocracy, scapegoating of minorities, and intolerance. We are a gentle people who are incredibly dangerous when our ire is aroused. A pliant and yielding and tolerant, even sometimes obsequious, friend--but your worst nightmare as an enemy.

I would have it no other way.

America is represented by two great political parties. The Democratic Party, with its true genesis in the Presidency of Indian slayer and Mob King Andrew Jackson. The Republican Party, with its genesis in the unyielding, bloody-handed, great emancipator Abraham Lincoln. Whatever the Founders' thoughts on political parties, most recognized in the end that they were an inevitability. Over the course of two centuries, because of the ruthless but undeniable logic of Game Theory and the basic structure of the Constitution, it is impossible for us to be ruled by any more and any less than two major political parties. The Third Parties will always serve only two possible roles: a hothouse for ideas that do not yet (and may never) appeal to a majority of Americans, or to serve as a replacement if one of the two major parties should collapse. No other role for them is possible--not because the Constitution says so, but again, because of the logic of Game Theory that is implicit in its construction, that so many people instinctively if not intellectually understand.

No political party will come to power which does not recognize this reality. It will recognize it consciously, or it will recognize it unconsciously, but either way that is the only way the Constitution makes coming to power possible. The only way to change that would be to fundamentally alter the Constitution, a venerable document that for all its quirks still ultimately works the way it is supposed to--so again I would have it no other way.

If you are a person of strong conviction, when you look at the Democrats, they will always annoy you. For while they may say they have strong convictions, ultimately these are extremely diffuse: "help the little guy against the powerful." Because at base, their structure has been the same ever since Andrew Jackson first rode to power: cobble together a vast coalition of tiny interests and try to meld together a whole from that. It's usually awkward and makes no goddamned sense. When Will Rogers said, "I'm not a member of an organized political party: I'm a Democrat," he was saying something that had already been true for over a century and is still quite true today. When we joke about John Kerry and "nuance," it's really no different from Clinton's amazing ability to hold two contradictory positions at once, Adlai Stephenson's eggheaded rambling, or Harry S. Truman's ability to simultaneously hold back the Communists in Korea and yet refuse to go to outright war with China in order to make MacArthur happy. (And by the way, firing MacArthur was absolutely the right thing to do.)

The Democrats have also always--always, for 200 years or more--been the "feeling" party, who go on their gut rather than their principles. For while they may hold that they are principled, it's mostly their emotions that matter most to them. If that repels you, you must consider that if you are an American and proud to be one, then you must acknowledge that many Americans work that way too. So if you love America, you must love that aspect of our people as well.

Many a man has loved his wife even when he is utterly bewildered and befuddled because she's on a weepy or angry tear, and many a woman has loved her man even when his stubborn pride has led him into a fistfight she was sure he could have avoided.

If you are a person of strong conviction, when you look at Republicans, they will always disappoint you. They speak of high principle, of unyielding and enduring values, of strict adherence to certain rock-ribbed absolutes. But then they ride to power, and they realize that it's easy to speak in such terms, but now they must actually govern. They then realize that some people who say they share your absolutes don't agree on what those absolutes mean, and in any case there are those pesky people in the opposition who don't agree. Conservative icon Ronald Reagan learned this lesson, and came to the same conclusions many Democratic Presidents did before him: "Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all." Or, better yet: If you are faced with a choice between 80% of what you want and 0%, take the 80%. Just don't get suckered.

The more you insist on absolutes, the more you marginalize yourself in American politics, once again due to the ruthless and inevitable mathematical logic of Game Theory (read a book on it if you haven't already. I don't say that to be condescending, I say it to note that your worldview will be changed if you do so.) Under our current Constitution, there will always be two parties, always, even though they are not mentioned. They are inevitably there, and if you can never find a way to compromise with the other party you will never get much done.

Ralph Nader can never be more than a voice crying in the wilderness, ever. Neither can Michael Badnarik. Neither can Howard Phillips. The very structure of the Constitution makes it impossible.

Even when Lyndon Johnson found himself a Democratic President with overwhelming Democratic majorities in both House and Senate, he couldn't get everything done that he wanted. Indeed, he often found that the easiest way to get done what he wanted was to go to the Republican Minority Leaders in the House and Senate and offer them deals so they would provide the crucial swing vote between Democrats who were on his side and Democrats who were against. Jimmy Carter found himself in a similar position as President, but wound up alienating half his party and being sidelined as an almost worthless President because he could not compromise his principles. This is the real reason he failed, not because he was a "wimp."

Do not fool yourself into thinking that a Republican President in similar circumstances would not have found himself in the same circumstances much of the time.

Yet here is the amazing reality: If an idea's time has come, it will eventually pass into law. 2nd amendment advocates, for all their dire warnings about an oncoming end to the right to bear arms, have suffered a few defeats and yet a stinging series of victories over the last 20 years. More Americans own firearms than ever. Concealed carry permits are now available in a majority of states in the Union, and some allow unconcealed carry without restriction. Meanwhile, First Amendment advocates, for all their bluster that an end to freedom of speech is just around the corner, live in a society where free speech is infinitely more protected than it was in the 1800s. Indeed, in 1800, it was widely understood that the 1st amendment did not protect pornography or blasphemy, and you could still be jailed in some states just for saying out loud that you did not believe that Jesus was God.

25 years ago, home schooling was illegal in much of America. Now it is legal and even praised in most of America. When Franklin Roosevelt first proposed Social Security, he said that he believed that within a decade or so it should be transitioned to a privatized system and, while that took longer than he said it would we will probably have that within another decade or so. School Choice, while still controversial, is now seeping in to state after state, community after community. As it should.

When John F. Kennedy rode to power, the top marginal income tax rate was 90%, and he reduced it to 70%. When Ronald Reagan rode to power, the top marginal rate was 70% and he reduced it to about 30%. When Bill Clinton rode to power, he got it back up to about 40%, and then George W. Bush got it back down to around 35%. When Ronald Reagan rode to power, there were over 100,000 pages to the Federal Register's list of Federal regulations of interstate commerce, and now it's about 60,000 pages. When Reagan rode to power, there were Federal price controls using the Constitution's interstate commerce clause on furniture, clothing, gasoline, food, and a number of other items. Now there are price controls only on food. When Bill Clinton rode to power, there were tarriffs and regulatory barriers to countless forms of international trade; now there are very few. When Bill Clinton rode to power, you could be a welfare dependent your whole life, and when he left it, in order to get on welfare you had to prove you needed it and had to prove you were doing things so that within a few years at most you were no longer dependent upon it.

And note: if you look at the size of the Federal government as opposed to the size of the population and the GDP, the Federal government is smaller today than it has been at several times in our history.

If an idea's time has come, it will come. It will take a while, but it will come. For if it's the right idea, the American People will adopt it sooner or later. We're just a fundamentally conservative people, as is our government, and it will always take a while but we will always in the end make the right choices.

It may take a while. Slavery took us about 80 years to get right. Full civil rights for blacks took us a hundred years more to get right. By comparison, the dependent welfare state was only a blip, and now we're on the right path to fixing that too.

Half a loaf, half a loaf, half a loaf onward. Yet it's not a charge into oblivion, but a charge into what's right. Over a period of years, maybe a period of decades, the American people will eventually find their way to the right answer.

When you look at the candidates for President every four years, you must look at all of this. The Republican will ride to power speaking of stern, strong, unyielding principles that he will inevitably compromise upon. The Democrat will inevitably rise to power out of a squabbling mess of fractious ideologies, attempting to meld them into a semi-coherent whole. Neither one will be virginal, both will be a little full of shit--but both of them (usually) sincere. In most cases, both will genuinely want what is best for America. Your only question will be whether you think their vision is the right vision, and whether you believe he will govern responsibly, and will take the duties of his office sincerely.

But you must recognize that compromise is an utterly unavoidable requirement of the President's office. If he couldn't compromise, he would never be his party's nominee, let alone be elected President.

So: When you look at the Republican nominee for President, you will see a man who speaks of unyielding principle, who will nevertheless compromise principle if he wants to get anything done. When you look at the Democratic nominee for President, you will see a man who has compromised like crazy just to get where he is, who must nevertheless have certain principles he will govern by.

Your only choice, unless you wish to marginalize yourself by voting third-party, is to cast your fate with one of these two men (or women).

So every four years we have these things called national conventions, at which we nominate two men (or women) to be President. At these conventions, each candidate, however he arrived at the nomination, defines his vision for governance over the next four years, and how he pledges to govern. In that moment, and in the subsequent debates, you decide which of these two makes the most sense--knowing that, inevitably, whoever wins is going to let you down sometimes, and make you proud sometimes.

Is it a fucking mess? Yeah. But it's how Our People have been doing business for the last couple of centuries, and if you really get right down to it, it's been working pretty fucking well, all things considered.

I'll close with a quote that my friend (I hope she'll let me call her friend) Sheila O'Malley is fond of:

"'This race and this country and this life produced me,' he said. 'I shall express myself as I am.'" --James Joyce, Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

Watch the conventions. See what they say. Ask yourself if you like what they say, and if you believe them. Then vote. Or if you don't like either of them, vote third party, or don't vote at all.

It's the American way.

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Mike (mail):
Always trust the American people to eventually do what is right. It may take awhile and a lot of squabbling, but in the end they will do the right thing.

It may be a clumsy system and it creaks at the joints, but it works. Power cneters have to be addressed, not ignored. Deals must be made with all groups. Compromise everywhere. It prevents the greivances from going underground and festering.

A parliament has the executive come from the legislature. That means the party that has a majority (say Canada with Ridings (districts) and winner-take-all elections) in thelegislature immediately controls the executive and its program goes through. Almost completely. In the US the House of Representatives is separate from the Senate which is separate from the President. Even if one party controls all by a comfortable margin each comes from its own power base and must placated before anything can be done. As your example pointed out, this is to the minority's advantage.

What a lovely system. God, how I love this game!
7.27.2004 5:03pm
Mike (mail):
Oh, BTW, great essay.
7.27.2004 5:04pm
John Eddy (mail) (www):
I am <i>l;NOT</i>l; cranky!
7.27.2004 5:22pm
Paul Burgess (www):
Dean:

Yes, this is an absolutely excellent piece.

It deserves serious comment, but I got home late last night, past 1 AM, after 25 hours on the road (most of it squeezed into a tiny seat on a charter bus), and the better part of a week spent chaperoning a gang of our high schoolers at a church National Youth Event down in Knoxville, Tennessee. So I slept until mid-morning, and am stumbling around today much more asleep than awake.

You mean the Democrats are holding their convention now? Sorry, I'm going to be back in bed long before anything they may be televising this evening.

Will check back in with Dean's World again tomorrow morning.

And there you have it from one of your less cranky conservative friends. :)
7.27.2004 5:23pm
John Eddy (mail) (www):
Oh, and your preview showed that properly italicized...

Stupid internet...
7.27.2004 5:23pm
Brain Fertilizer (mail) (www):
Dean, when did you let Steven den Beste take over as a guest blogger?
7.27.2004 5:35pm
red (www):
I just finished reading Joseph "Yeah, I was in 'Nam" Ellis' book The Founding Brothers. One of the things I liked very much about it is the chapter on the constitutional wranglings of the 1780s. Ellis says something like:

"The debate ended up being built into our system. None of the questions are resolved - but what IS certain, is that the debate will go on."
7.27.2004 5:55pm
Dave Schuler (mail) (www):
Always trust the American people to eventually do what is right.

Actually Winston Chuchill's comment is closer to the mark: "The Americans always do what is right when every other alternative has been exhausted."
7.27.2004 7:47pm
Ironbear (mail) (www):
If you would write like this more often, Dean, I would poke fun at you less often. ;]

That may not sound like high praise, but it is.

I don't completely *agree* with you, mind you - and I doubt Connie will either - but that's beside the point. ;)
7.27.2004 7:57pm
Jimmie (www):
Dean,
Would you be interested in a little back and forth on the role of third parties in Congress and State and Local legislatures?
7.27.2004 8:02pm
Mrs. du Toit (www):
There is and may always be a divide between us. You trust the government to do the right thing and that is government's role--to give handouts. I trust the people to do the right thing for themselves and their neighbors, if only the government would get out of their way. There is not a single social program that has not made life more difficult for people or made people doubt themselves or their abilities. You see the Democrat party as an option, I see it as nothing more than dismal failure after dismal failure.

Unfortunately, you view a principled position as being uncompromising. Every compromise the Republicans have made to the Democrats, every concession given, has failed. Compromise only works when the choices offered are reasonable. You see one as a reasonable alternative, I do not.

I view the Democrats or any that would vote for another attempt to do the same thing that has failed, as insanity. And I know you know that definition.

The Democrat Party is for children, who refuse to let facts or history cloud their judgement.

You look around and think "Wow, things are not so bad. Some things look pretty good." And I look around and think "and we could be so much better, and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that much greater."
7.27.2004 9:04pm
DSmith (mail) (www):
Great piece, Dean.

To tell you the truth, I think the great majority of Americans make their decision much as you describe. Oh, most don't watch the conventions, and some don't pay a lot of direct attention at all. But everyone has their way of gathering information and sifting it. It filters in, and folks sift it, and think about it, and talk about it, and they decide. Usually they decide pretty well, no matter how they happened to do their deciding. As elected officials go, we don't have that much trouble with our Presidents - it's all the lesser fish. I think that's precisely because an insufficient mass of Americans pay attention to the lesser elections. Get us all focusing on it, each in our own chaotic and individual way, and usually the right decision is made.

But this November is going to tell us a lot about what 21st Century Americans are made of.
7.27.2004 9:09pm
Timothy Snyder:
"There is not a single social program that has not made life more difficult for people or made people doubt "themselves or their abilities."

Define social program. Are you talking about things like the GI Bill, Veterans' Benefits, Pell Grants? I'm confused, I thought we were batting about .500 when it comes to running social programs. Hell, if you succeed HALF the time in government, you're doing pretty good.

GREAT PIECE DEAN!!
7.27.2004 9:28pm
Catch 22:
Get serious people.

The DNC Convention is a dog and pony show. This one in particular with Clintonian smoke and mirrors side show effects offers not a twit of controversy.

"however he arrived at the nomination,"

Someone needs to remind Dean that the democrat roadkill in this election upon which the last candidate stands triumphant are:

Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman, Rev. Al Sharpton, Carol M. Braun ( a nice lady ) and once again Al Gore.
7.27.2004 9:47pm
John Eddy (mail) (www):
Mrs. Du Toit:

I think your forget that for all intents and purposes the people are the government. They get the government they vote for and tolerate. In good times the populace has a natural tendency to ignore the bullshit being perpetrated by “those people” in Washington. Blaming Democrats because the American people aren’t paying as much attention as we think they should is pointless. If the voters demand the parties change, they’ll change. Until then, we get what we get.

Just my inflation-adjusted 62 cents.

Dean, I’m serious. No more politics. I’m trying to write a book, dammit.


-John
7.27.2004 10:20pm
Ironbear (mail) (www):
"Unfortunately, you view a principled position as being uncompromising. Every compromise the Republicans have made to the Democrats, every concession given, has failed. Compromise only works when the choices offered are reasonable. You see one as a reasonable alternative, I do not." - Mrs. Du Toit


Toldja Connie'd agree with you no more than I do.

There may be some merit - today - in the apraisal of this as a two party only system. That's the part that you get some qualified agreement from me on. You are in error that our current two party monolith has always been the case, and - I do hope - in error that it always must continue to be.

As it is... like Connie, I have zero agrement that the Democrat party presents a "reasonable" alternative. And as Catch22 states, the DNC is a dog and pony show designed to try and fool people into thinking that they're something they're not.

A pity that it seems to be working. That alone doesn't do much for my faith in a certain percentage of my fellow citizens.

I'm afraid that in my view, as eloquent as your essay is, until the current Democrat party goes into the dustbin of American politics that's currently occupied by the Whigs, Greenback Party, and Anti-Masonic party, and is replaced by a viable opposition, then there really won't be a choice except between the "Lesser of Evils" in the Republicans, and "No way, no how" in the Democrats. The Democrats are another failed experiment in American politics... it's just taken them a lot longer to begin to collapse than it did the Know Nothings.

The "reasonable option" at this point is to keep them out of power and away from doing any more damage until they do collapse and get swept into the dustbin.
7.27.2004 10:20pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Dean:

Another excellent essay and expostulation of your point of view. I respect your opinion even where I must disagree. I must say that own views on all this are closer to Mrs. du Toit's.

My own position is basically that of Ayn Rand as articulated in her "Anatomy of Compromise" in "Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal". In any conflict between those who hold the same basic premises, it is the more consistent side that will ultimately win. In any compromise or collaboration between those who hold opposite basic premises, it is the evil side that will utimately win. "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." Whenever the basic premises, the underlying issues, are hidden or blurred, it is the evil side that wins. Whenever the basic premises, the underlying issues, are made clear, it is the good side that wins.

"The Democratic Party, with its true genesis in the Presidency of Indian slayer and Mob King Andrew Jackson. The Republican Party, with its genesis in the unyielding, bloody-handed, great emancipator Abraham Lincoln."

That says enough for me. A most interesting juxtaposition: Andrew Jackson, the President I hate the most, vs. Abraham Lincoln, the President I admire the most. I think that explains well enough why, even though I can vote for Democrats, I can never _be_ a Democrat. The very _names_ of the parties, Democrats vs. Republicans, tell the story.

You are right that the Democrats are a congeries of squabbling interests while the Republicans at least pay lip service to principles even when they compromise or betray them: individual freedom and responsibility, limited Constitutional government, fiscal responsibility, a strong military posture. Those are my principles of government, derived from deeper spiritual values.

Even in order to compromise, you must have something _to_ compromise. Even in order to be a moderate, you must have the extremists to define what the moderate position is. Even in order to have gray, you must start with black and white. You have to start somewhere. You have to start with a clearly defined position before you can discuss the nuances and ramifications of that position.

In this election, I think I have decided my course of action. The Libertarian party is too small, and weak on defense, so I will have to choose between the two more realistic alternatives, in this case, Bush or Kerry. I prefer Bush, as he is obviously a better Commander in Chief of our armed forces in this time of War than Kerry would ever be from everything I've seen of him. But, since I must condemn Bush for his support of the FMA and his reprehensible pandering to the totalitarian anti-homosexual movement, the Enemy within, I will hope that his victory is narrow so as to deny him the "mandate" he craves. I will check and balance him by voting for Democrats for Congress so as to produce as much gridlock as possible.

Gridlock is good, as I have said many times before. I want to see both parties block each other's legislation, and especially each other's judicial appointments, as much as possible. Politics is not about getting things done, it's about preventing things from being done to you. Politics is not about getting what you want, it's about not getting what you don't want. As Barry Goldwater said, a government that can give you everything you want can take from you everything you have.
7.27.2004 11:44pm
Catch 22:
Steven,

Well done, quite excellent nuancing of ideas. I share your passion and many of your opinions although I do not always have the time to articulate same on comments. For myself there is a clear distinction between the two political parties, and I see the democrat party as largely failing in committment to principle especially during the Clinton years.
7.28.2004 12:07am
jane m:
Dean

A particularly thoughtful and considered essay which I think qualifies for publication on any Op/Ed page. Our local rag often prints offerings by ordinary citizens which are no where near as good as this piece. I would think there is a paper in your area that would be interested and if printed, then a few non-bloggers would be beneficiaries of your wisdom as well.
7.28.2004 1:22am
saturn (mail) (www):
Nicve essay, although I don't buy the idea that Democrats represent "the little guy" anymore, not when they are largely funded by Soros, Kennedy, Ted Turner, Hollywood, trial lawyers, etc.
7.28.2004 1:46am
Catch 22:
Governor G. Mennen (Soapy) Williams was the first Governor I met, a good governor of the State of Michigan and a good democrat. He sure knew how to put on the lather but he also knew where the facts were. That is my problem with the present day democrats. Facts seemingly disappear or are off the radar screen. One of the points in last night’s Clinton speech was criticizing GWB on the Kyoto Treaty accords. What Clinton didn’t tell you, was he and his administration were opposed to the same treaty while he was in office.

I see voting for a candidate on the basis of the best ideas expressed at a convention is not very sound nor intelligent policy. Facts and character do matter. Our laws are signed by the President, the same laws arrived at by congressional consensus which you refer to as compromise. And presumably you refer to those compromises as compromise of principle. I don’t think Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan would agree with your assessment. And Carter failed not only due to a committment to absolutes but his sanctimoniusness and condescension to those with whom, he disagreed. It was nearly five years after he left office that people actually waved to him without using their middle finger. I find your essay excellent but most certainly not leakproof. The consensus arrangement of the Constitution is a function of the separation of powers and the very thing that protects Liberty from despotism.

Having principles and expressing them are functions of some politicians and some political parties. Having principles does not mean politicians do not understand Game Theory nor is it a mandate of insisting on absolutes. But you are right…democrats relegate principle to secondary status and go by feelings. Not good policy.

In the meantime, we’ve backed off in Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf War I, and it felt good in all those instances but we are still at war. China’s still there, Russia is still there, North Korea is still there with nuclear warheads, and so are the terrorists, and Iraq and Iran and Syria. And will Kerry articulate a position on Iraq that isn’t foggy-headed double talk ? So voting for John Kerry because it will make someone feel good while watching the convention isn’t a worthy option. I see the DNC convention as not much more than a dog and pony show.
7.28.2004 1:52am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Catch 22:

Thank you! You, too.
7.28.2004 2:15am
Dean Esmay (www):
While I'm enjoying the various responses and mostly content to let you all voice your own opinions, I wanted to respond to this:

You trust the government to do the right thing and that is government's role--to give handouts.

Uh, the phrasing of this is a little odd. One of the roles of government is to offer services that the voters demand: fire, police, military, schools, sewage treatment, and so on. If the voters demand that we should provide housing services for vagrants rather than having them littering the street, the government should do so. If the voters demand that all children should receive a certain minimum education, then the government should do that as well.

Note that in most cases, I'm not at all opposed to farming much of that out to private industry. Not all of it, but most of it.

"Handouts" is also in my view an emotional term, one that suggests that the government is merely passing out checks to lazy people. We stopped doing that when welfare reform passed.

As for trusting the government: what John said. I trust that THE PEOPLE will not tolerate more than a certain amount of irresponsible or oppressive behavior, and I trust that if they are sufficiently annoyed the people will throw the bums out.

As for this:

You look around and think "Wow, things are not so bad. Some things look pretty good." And I look around and think "and we could be so much better, and the promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that much greater."

Yes, well, a fundamental conservative trait I've noticed--it's what makes you guys so grumpy--is you're always sure we're just inches from going to hell in a handbasket. ;-)

But by most measures things are good and getting better.

As for the notion that they could be much better still: I am quite positive they will be much better. And that as things improve, some people will still be grumpily complaining about how much things sucks.

After all the victories conservatives have had in the last 50 years on taxes, regulation, welfare, and free trade, I am just flabbergasted that anyone would say that every compromise has been a failure.
7.28.2004 9:21am
Dean Esmay (www):
Jimmie: Sure.

Third parties always lose because our winner-take-all, first-past-the-post system makes them impossible. If you have three candidates, and you like one guy a whole lot but only 10% of voters do, you're playing a sucker's game. You have to look at the other two, hold your nose, and pick the one you find less odious. Otherwise you're likely to get the one you truly despise the most.

The system forces voters to compromise. It has from the beginning.

I believe that third parties are only useful as hothouses for new ideas, or to serve as replacments for one of the two majors. The latter almost never happens, for if a third party has ideas that are popular enough, either the Democrats or the Republicans will seize those ideas for themselves.

Do you doubt it? Then contemplate that Newt Gingrich took the Congress for the Republicans with something called the Contract With America, and most of it came from Ross Perot's Reform Party. In the next election cycle, the Reform Party only declined, and after a few more brief flashes they finally collapsed.

If a third party's ideas are popular enough, one of the majors will swipe it. That's the way they have always behaved.

This is why I never get excited when I hear about the Libertarians or the Greens winning a local election here or there. All it means is one of the two major parties, probably both, nominated incomptetents, or that they're in a district which is very sharply divided three ways or more, or they have "non-partisan" elections (which are, in my view, a bad idea). Or you get some flash in the pan celebrity or somesuch. But that's it. Not because any law says so--besides the laws of probability.
7.28.2004 9:35am
Timothy Snyder:
I didn't realize that Russia and China were are enemies. It's that kind of dangerous mentality that alienates us from our would-be allies. All three of us, Russia, China, and the U.S. share the same battle of fighting islamic extremists/terrorists. And don't forget India. These must form an alliance, bury the cold-war hatchet, and build the new world.
7.28.2004 10:12am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Russia is free now, but China is still a totalitarian state. I oppose it. I have long supported an alliance with India against Pakistan and totalitarian Islam.
7.28.2004 11:48am
Catch 22:
Tim,

"Trust but verify" Ronald Reagan
7.28.2004 12:01pm
Ken Hahn (mail):
Conventions used to be a lot more fun. They still serve a purpose but its now marketing rather that political. The major decisions have been made. Early primaries and media spin make the nominating process more about momentum than ideas. The conventions can be boring, but always offer a chance to see the workings of the faithful.

In the end, the nominees are still chosen in the "smoke filled rooms". It's just that the room are no longer at the conventions but at the networks.
7.28.2004 7:05pm
Scott Harris (mail):
Political junkies and professional journalists are really missing the point in their public disdain for the Conventions. Most Americans are busy with their lives, and only vaguely pay attention to politics. The presentation at the conventions may be old news to those who have been paying close attention to the campaign for the last year.

But for a great many Americans, the Conventions are the signal to begin paying attention. For many Americans, this is the start of the political season, and everything from now to Election Day is new to them. So Conventions ARE important to the American public - even if they seem tedious to the journalists and political junkies.
7.29.2004 3:48am
Scott Harris (mail):
By the way. Every four years, we hear the moaning about how few Americans turn out to vote, and how disconnected everyday Americans are from the political process. This is always presented as bad news.

But I think that the very fact that a lot of Americans feel ambivalent about Washington DC is a strength of our country and a feature of Federal style divided power. Also, elected officials pay more than lip service to the notion of constituency service to all their constituents, not just those who voted for them.

For example, I am a devout Republican. But my Congressional Representative is Martin Frost - part of the Democratic Leadership team in the House of Representatives. I expect him to represent me even though I voted against him, and will vote against him again in November. And guess what? When I write him, he responds to me. When I request service, he reacts.

This idea of service, and the demand that all Americans place on their elected representatives - even those they voted against and disagree with - is why many Americans are comfortable sitting out elections. They don't feel they have a stake in the election of any particular candidate. But they still reserve the right to demand service of whomever holds the office. So their stake is in the office, not the office holder. I wouldn't have it any other way.
7.29.2004 3:58am
maor (mail):
"Governor G. Mennen (Soapy) Williams was the first Governor I met, a good governor of the State of Michigan and a good democrat. He sure knew how to put on the lather but he also knew where the facts were. That is my problem with the present day democrats. Facts seemingly disappear or are off the radar screen. One of the points in last night’s Clinton speech was criticizing GWB on the Kyoto Treaty accords. What Clinton didn’t tell you, was he and his administration were opposed to the same treaty while he was in office."

Doesn't support your claim. Clinton says something irresponsible and populist at a meaningless convention speech, but does the opposite when he's in charge of policy. Sounds like your description of Governor Williams.
7.29.2004 7:08am
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