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The Outing Weapon

The Boi from Troy, a gay Republican football fan, is annoyed by forced outings of homosexuals.

I can't say I disagree with him on the matter.

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malishazilla:
It's funny how boifromtroy suggests on the one hand that gay staffers shouldn't be outed because they might lose their jobs for being gay, and on the other hand says they shouldn't be outed because they 'll be able to influence policy (in "incremntal" or "nuanced" ways). An employer so anti-gay that he'd fire a staffer for coming out of the closet wouldn't have much chance of being influenced by their staffer, however "incrementally" or "nuanced," by their staffer.
7.8.2004 2:10pm
squirrel:
A gay Republican football fan? Wow, talk about your specialty sports....but I'm such a big football fan myself, and conservative, so I suppose I'll watch some gay Republican football as soon as I find the listings in my area.
7.8.2004 3:59pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I'm against forced outing. Coming out is a decision that should be up to the individual. Outing, like "sodomy" laws, is a violation of the right to privacy.
7.8.2004 5:12pm
Arnold Harris (mail):
I'm more or less with Steven Malcolm Anderson on this business of "outing" of homosexuals. I regard this as little more than extortion, which is a felony.

While I am not particularly friendly to the male and female homosexual communities, I have come to increasingly accept the point of view that their sexuality is nobody's business but their own. At least so long as it involves only consenting adults of either gender.

I am not interested in arguments that it is hypocritical for hidden homosexuals to support anti-homosexual legislation. That is no more hypocritical than for practicing Roman Catholic legislators to support abortion rights for women to choose to terminate an unwanted, unsustainable, or medically dangerous pregnancy. In the latter case, practicing Catholics who support abortion rights owe no explanations to the bishops of their church. And similarly, hidden homosexuals owe no explanations to the bishops of the homosexual organizations.

Homosexuals who work at official positions, exactly like practicing Roman Catholics in the same status, have not only a right but an obligation as well to separate their personal interests from the public interests.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
7.8.2004 9:39pm
malishazilla:
From http://washblade.com/2004/7-2/view/columns/gayhill.cfm:

They demand their private lives be protected and kept off limits while helping their bosses turn our private lives into criminal acts. And they ask us to ignore our own self-interest and defend them with our silence, while they refuse to consider anyone’s well being but their own.
7.9.2004 11:22am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Constantly looking for hypocrites is ultimately a futile, if not dangerous, exercise. A heterosexual who wants to criminalize private homosexual relations is every bit as despicable and as deadly as a secret homosexual who suicidally does so. The media condemned William Bennett for his gambling -- while that was the only thing I _liked_ about him. Too bad he stopped -- _I_ condemn him for _that_, for his moral cowardice. (By the way, Bennett is a Catholic, so gambling isn't against his religion.) Ditto (pun intended) with Rush Limbaugh's drug addiction. If he had _never_ used drugs, he's still be just as much an enemy of liberty. It's none of my business what a Bork or a Santorum does in his private life -- what I oppose is that he wants me _not_ to have a private life.

Sooner or later, and sooner rather than later, you're going to run up against a Savonarola (a Hitler, a Pol Pot) who never gambles, never takes dope, never smokes, never drinks, doesn't eat meat, doesn't own a gun, never even masturbates, and never has sex except to produce more children for the State -- and wants to ban all those things. What will you say then?

It's not their inconsistent practice that I oppose, but their totalitarian principle. It's not their alleged secret "vices" that I condemn, but that which they call "virtue". That is what the battle demands. Nothing less will do.
7.9.2004 12:47pm
Sean Kinsell (mail) (www):
Mr. Harris:
"In the latter case, practicing Catholics who support abortion rights owe no explanations to the bishops of their church. And similarly, hidden homosexuals owe no explanations to the bishops of the homosexual organizations."

I'm not aware of any officially-recognized bishoprics among the family, despite our great love of hierarchy (at least on the male end). I do think that you're not talking about entirely analogous circumstances...at least, not necessarily analogous. If a Catholic opposes the wholesale criminalization of abortion, as an open Catholic who believes in separation of church and state for the purposes of civic life, that's one thing. A Catholic who supported the criminalization of abortion while herself quietly aborting an unwanted pregnancy would be another thing altogether, both morally and ethically.
7.9.2004 4:22pm
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