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My particular favorite entry was this one from Q & O. If I hear one more person call Kerry a "traitor" for doing perfectly legal things that no military prosecutor or judge on the planet would call criminal, I'll scream.

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megapotamus (mail):

Aid and comfort, adhering to her enemies... Scream away. Kerry is a traitor.

7.8.2004 11:14am

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Dean Esmay (www):

Oh get over yourself. Telling people you believed bad stories about your fellow American troops is not "aid and comfort," and neither is meeting with enemy generals in Paris to give them advice on upcoming treaty talks.

By your ridiulous definitions I'd be a traitor myself. Stop being such a dipshit.

7.8.2004 3:01pm

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megapotamus (mail):

"meeting with enemy generals in Paris to give them advice "
Dipshit?

7.8.2004 5:24pm

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Dean Esmay (www):

Meeting with enemy generals to do what? Give the battlefield advice on how to kill more Americans? Or how to bring the conflict to an end?

Yes, Megapotomus, you're a dipshit.

7.8.2004 5:37pm

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megapotamus (mail):

Well, no lesser authority than NVA General Vo Ngyuen Giap said recently (this guy must be about a thousand!) that they did not win the war on the ground but rather on the streets and in the media in the US. Was Kerry's testimony before the House and actions in Paris not contributory to this? Hmmmm. Well, this has all been hashed out in this space, the legal as well as rhetorical use of the word and concept "treason". I don't recall that you got the better of the debate on either term but you were quite stridently insistent that, support not withstanding, anyone holding a counter opinion was an idiot, and now, I'm a dipshit. Well, to each his own, sir, to each his own. I think what I will do is just see ya later.

7.8.2004 5:54pm

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Dean Esmay (www):

Oh goodie. The North Vietnamese thought that those who spoke out against the war were helpful to their desire to win. This automatically makes anyone who spoke out against the war guilty of treason.
Fuck you, Megapatomus. Simply speaking your conscience against a war does NOT make you a traitor, and if you think so then that makes you no better than Joe fucking McCarthy, and I'm glad you won't be back.

I know you must hate that whole "first amendment" thing but me, being proud to be an American, can't stomach such a view.

"Aid ad comfort" is more than just saying "this is the wrong war at the wrong time against the wrong people." Saying that could well be stupid--there were people in the U.S. who thought the Nazis were good guys, after all, such as Charles Lindberg--but that doesn't make someone a traitor. And if you think so, then you can kiss my pimply white ass.

7.8.2004 5:59pm

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megapotamus (mail):

"Or how to bring the conflict to an end?" Actually, I should address this. Yes, obviously he advised the NV on means to end the conflict on terms more favorable to them, that IS obvious, right? Now, while you can say that convincing the NV to make peace kept the war from proceeding and thereby saved American lives, however this is salutory only if you assume there was no valid political goal except ending the war and the war aims; keeping the Communists from taking over SV, were pointless. Well, since we are about the same age I assume you remember the Boat People, the purges, the executions and re-education camps. Could this have been avoided or ameliorated by some sort of us maneuvering that Kerry worked AGAINST with his aid to the Communists in Paris? Until we have a full accounting of what WAS said, we labor in ignorance. But if one cannot, like me, bestow a benefit of the doubt to the man, Kerry is not merely a traitor to this nation but "against all humankind" as Theresa HK was pleased to describe the entirety of the Bush-Cheney record. Oh, what a dipshit to be exercised by these events, huh? Adios amigo. I'll probably pop in after the conventions.

7.8.2004 6:04pm

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Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.

Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.