Dean's World

Defending the liberal tradition in history, science, and philosophy.

Okay, So...?

How's the blog looking and working for you now?
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Brian Tiemann (mail) (www):
Looks great to this Safari user.

It seems weird, though, to have the "Posted by Dean | Permalink | 0 Comments | 0 Trackbacks" part displayed in a larger font than the body of the messages. Usually it's smaller, or so I'm led to expect...
7.7.2004 3:24pm
Deb (www):
Beautiful.

And thank you for killing the italics. They were driving me nuts. ;)
7.7.2004 3:34pm
mythusmage (mail) (www):
Loads faster, letters are sharper, otherwise I can't see much different from previous versions. Maybe you need to gussy up the graphics some.
7.7.2004 3:36pm
Paul Burgess (www):
Looking quite good now in Opera 7.52 for Linux. I should also mention that, after last night's adjustments, the new Dean's World now renders much more uniformly in various browsers than the old Dean's World ever did for me (at least in Linux).

BTW, let me make a pest of myself once again: please add <h3> for the titles of posts, same as you already have <h2> for the text of dates!
7.7.2004 3:45pm
Catch 22:
Its a lot easier on the eyes and seems more user friendly.

Here is a blogger I really like reading. Never seems to be mentioned elsewhere. Kind of a private, independent sort living in the UK and has some good american insights with a UK flair...

http://expatyank.blogspot.com/

7.7.2004 4:06pm
Cody (mail) (www):
Looks great when using both Mozilla and Firefox. The new look is cleaner and eaiser to navigate.

Great work, Dean.
7.7.2004 4:31pm
Brian King:
Looks good in Safari, now. The center column is in the proper place, the Google search bar fits in its container, and links don't change size when I mouse over them.

I like the color and font choices, too. Enough to be distinctive without being distracting.

Very nice.
7.7.2004 4:45pm
Sigivald (mail):
The title and header fonts are still blocky and nasty in IE6 on XP Pro. Other than that, looks fine.
7.7.2004 4:58pm
jane m:
test log in
7.7.2004 5:01pm
Janelle Reitsma:
I do like it. The more I looked at it I realized it was easier on the eyes. When you turn 40 (still young, all of you that are in 40's or are just about there , I surpassed that) you find you have your face closer and closer to the newspaper, the blogs, general shopping down the aisles, checking over contracts, and someone says, "Ms. Janelle, are you looking for bugs or something? I look up and say, What are you talking about!?! Well, Ms. Janelle, your face is about two or three inches from your monitor! I sit up straight and get all flustered and hold your composure, ya know. What you talkin bout, it WAS NOT! If you say so Ms. Janelle. When he walks away, I hunch back into my easy chair and it hits me!!! OH MY LORD, I must be gettin old. I need READER GLASSES!!! Nah, not ME!?!

Any way...Looks real good Dean, looks real nice. You keep blogging kid, you're doing great.
7.7.2004 5:13pm
Dan Champion (mail):
Title's still in an fortunate font on my computer, but that might be trouble on my end.

My computer's little more than an old See N Say with a pentium chip.
7.7.2004 5:19pm
Ara Rubyan (mail) (www):
Yeah, I have the same deal with "Dean's World" logo. Looks horrendous on my IE6 Wintel box -- looks like it was printed out on a 9x9 dot-matrix printer. Is that what you were trying for?

Other than that, everything looks great. A huge improvement over the previous incarnation.
7.7.2004 5:38pm
Bill from INDC Journal (mail):
IE6 - Logo all pixelated liek space invaders

Leading still too tight between headlines and first line of text
7.7.2004 5:41pm
Shawn Liu (mail) (www):
Viewing on IE6 here... I'm not sure if its my comp or not but when there are large blocks of text, some of lines of text don't show properly untill I highlight them... they look like this:

Screen Cap
7.7.2004 5:46pm
Mason (mail):
Alright, you asked for comments, so here they come! Sorry in advance for the negativity. Main browser is Opera 7.x on Windows, though I looked at it with IE6 and Firefox .8 too.

I think the new look sucks compared to the old look, and it's not a general "change is bad" sort of thing.

The fonts are too big all the way around, and hard to read. Comments are especially hard to read because the letters are thin black against a white background.

I think the left column is too wide, and the font is too big there, too. I don't come here to read your blogroll, don't care about it, but it sure takes up a lot of space.

I've been reading your site for a long time, but probably wouldn't have stuck around had it looked this way before. It just doesn't "feel" right and sort of makes my eyes seize up.
7.7.2004 5:55pm
Aimee:
Okay, I gotta agree with Mason - I miss the old setup. The left column/blogroll is too wide. The site heading is pixellated and awkward looking. I am grateful that you've cut the italics on the post headings, but I don't like the fonts ... not as readable or as graceful. Times Roman is (IMHO) an easier body font than Verdana, especially at the larger size; I've never liked Courier. And the "Posted by" boxes at the end of each post are pretty big.

Yeah, I've got pretty young eyes (relatively, anyway), but they're bad, and the fonts make them bug out a bit ... I keep feeling like I need to squint, or lean away from the screen, or SOMETHING to be able to read now.

I'll keep coming back, Dean, won't abandon you, but I need to quote Mason's comment:

I've been reading your site for a long time, but probably wouldn't have stuck around had it looked this way before.

Well, just don't change the content on us too, okay?? :-)
7.7.2004 6:39pm
Aimee:
Oh, PS - don't know if it makes a difference, but I use IE6.

And Dean, a positive note: you're still awesome, and I'll stop by QOAE every day even if I have to cross my eyes and stand on my head to read the new format.
7.7.2004 6:46pm
Aimee:
WHOOPS! That should read, "I'll stop by DEAN'S WORLD AND QOAE every day even if I have to cross my eyes and stand on my head to read the new format."

PIMF. PIMF. PIMF.
7.7.2004 6:49pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I'm against change except the change in my pocket. But I have noticed a couple of improvements:

1) I mentioned this before, but my comments don't take nearly as long to post now. Thank you.

2) A problem I had with your old site for a while was that, when it was time to say good-bye to Dean's World for a while, when I hit the back button on my brouser (Netscape 6), it wouldn't go back to my home page (Up With Beauty), but instead I had to hit the little arrow and go back several levels to get back there. I don't have to do that any more. I can just exit normally now. Not that I want to exit, I love being here, but sometimes I do want to visit other blogs on my blogroll or do something else. Now, it's easier for me to do that. Thank you.
7.7.2004 6:52pm
Janelle :
Oh Dean, I feel fer ya...you went ahead and asked didn't ya!?! This must be frustrating. I am such a dumb blonde that all that computer lingo just goes over my head...well...other things do too but, HANG IN THERE. Those offering their opinions CARE!

Smile would ya, huh....
7.7.2004 7:49pm
Uptown Girl (mail) (www):
looks good to me - - and now I have an account so I can comment - - aren't you excited? *heh*
7.7.2004 7:59pm
Timothy Snyder:
Love it! It's sooooo you. Did you hire Queer Eye for the Straight Blogger?
7.7.2004 8:25pm
Janelle :
I came back to see what's going on. Mr. Snyder, that's toooo funny! Giggle giggle
I think ole' Dean needed that!!!
7.7.2004 9:10pm
Andrew | BB (mail) (www):
UM - you've lost your originality. Everything is starting to look the same - especially all the blue and white WordPress blogs.

But it is better.

MAC Netscape 7.1 (and IE5.1 often enough)

7.7.2004 9:19pm
Kacie Landrum (mail) (www):
Yeah, it's technically working now, everything's where it's supposed to be in Safari. But I have to agree with several commenters that I liked the old look better. The title isn't nearly big enough and doesn't look as good as it used to, and it would be nice if the area I used the most, the main posting area, was on the left instead of that huge blogroll that I rarely want to look at.
7.7.2004 9:34pm
DSmith (mail) (www):
It made me turn on "Ignore font styles specified on web pages"; other than that it's ok.
7.7.2004 9:42pm
Al (mail) (www):
A couple of things come to mind. Before I get going, all of these are subjective and not a single one is a deal breaker or of any particular importance. But you did ask :)

I think the content (the center) is overpowered by the sidebars. I would consider reducing their size both in terms of width and in font size. It may help to keep the focus on your entries. I realise that you may be bound by the width of the ad for the right side, but you can certainly adjust the left. That would also allow you to align the buttons left.

Lose the borders for a:hover. The page jumps around too much. I would keep it with just a bottom line (text-decoration:underline) for text links and remove it from image links entirely. The line height keeps the div spacing intact for text links, but it gets jumpy on images.

Too many dang boxes. You got boxes in boxes in boxes. The borders on the buttons look like boxes (maybe make them 1px and black, we know they're links) and the Google ads just look silly. The metadata boxes you could lose entirely and use the different font-size and alignment to differentiate them — you could even change the color. Right now IMO those boxes are a distraction and break up my reading flow from one entry to the next.

I don't like the way you have the titles, entries and metadata (posted by, permalink, etc.) structured. It's conventional to mark the title up as a header with the body text below slightly smaller and the metadata smallest of all — this gives the reader an intuitive grasp of what's important. This also applies to the sidebar, where again, the text is larger than the header. It just looks 'off'.

To be real nitpicky, I'd knock the header over a few pixels so it lines up with the rest of the page and pump it up a few notches in size. It looks a little lonely hanging off the edge.

On the upside the site functions very well. Registration was as painless as any I've come across and it's easy to navigate. There is certainly nothing wrong with the structure of your site. I know this was the shortest paragraph of this treatise, but in the most important sense it's the one that matters. The sucker works, and it works well.
7.7.2004 10:07pm
James Owens (mail):
Dean - the layout doesn't bug me - but the fonts are not very flattering. The date separators and titles are very pixelated.
7.7.2004 10:19pm
James Owens (mail):
hehe...premature submitalation.....the contact dean on the left sidebar does not work either. I'm using IE6 - there does not appear to be a link for it at all - it's just acting like static text.
7.7.2004 10:21pm
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
Everything's good so far, I think, except for the huge white space on the right hand side after the "Click to give" button. Fill that with something not obnoxious, maybe not type but picture of the day (does it take too much room) or something imaginative.
7.7.2004 10:32pm
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
So, I posted my comment and logged in at the same time. Then it gave me another window that said, "Site not found." But, when I hit the magic refresh button, my post had been posted. Then when I tried to post this post, I had to log in again. So, is it mine, or yours?
7.7.2004 10:34pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
(I'm the one giving dean the html/technical help, in addition to being the proprietor of powerblogs. For my part, thanks for the feedback.)

Everyone except those who were complaining about the fonts in the post body being too big, try reloading. I adjusted some of the wackiness and made some other things more consistent, and it should look better now. (I'm probably going to make the left sidebar a little thinner, too, but the google search box is going to get in the way of that. Does anyone think that it would be a problem if that box were shrunk a bit?)

Those who find the main post text to be too big, change your default font size (on sans-serif fonts) to be something that you find readable. :-)
It's kind of silly to have your browser default to be unreadable. ;-)

DSmith,

If you dislike sans-serif fonts so much, why not just configure your browser to use your serif font as its sans-serif font? I did the reverse, and I almost never have to suffer through a serif font on a web page again. :-) You might find this easier than having your browser ignore all font styles. (some places rely on being able to set your font style in order for their site to be readable at all.)

Al,

The posts are supposed to be visually broken up. The idea is to prevent you from reading from one post to the next and not noticing that you've switched posts. :-)
7.7.2004 10:40pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
James,

Yeah, Dean chose not to make that a link to anything.
7.7.2004 10:49pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Katherine,

Did you check the "Remember info" button? If not, you'll have to log in every time you want to post (since it won't remember anything unless you want it to). Oh, remembering information does also require javascript, so if you have that turned off you'll have to log in every time, too.

As for the other part, that's weird. What browser are you using? Also, it could have been some odd internet glitch. Did this happen instantly or did it take a while?
7.7.2004 10:52pm
Catch 22:
Chris:

I'm sure you are working very, very hard. Is it possible to have only two columns rather than three ? Three makes it very commercial and lacks the personal flavor of the prior set-up. Its seems to be an impact thing, like the reader is secondary or
perhaps now rather tertiary. I haven't thought it through but I feel more like a mere spectator rather than one who can participate. I can read the newspapers if I'd choose to go that route. No offense, these are only ideas running through me brain at present. Your efforts are very commendable, even that you allow us to comment following your post. I'm sure in a short time frame all this will work itself out. Thanks.
7.7.2004 11:01pm
Mason (mail):
Katherine,

I don't know if this is new, or if it is even the cause of your problem, but you need the "www" in the url. http://deanesmay.com (without the www) gives a server not found.
7.7.2004 11:02pm
Al (mail) (www):
Chris, wow, fast work. Maybe it's time to take a look at Powerblogs :)

I see your point about breaking up the posts, but stand by my opinion (and you know what they say about them) that's it's obtrusive. If you think just the text isn't enough maybe an image of some sort or even an hr?

Now that I've actually looked at the source, I have another question. Why not use h2 for the post titles? It doesn't seem to be used elsewhere and might even get you some extra Google juice.
7.7.2004 11:05pm
Paul Burgess (www):
Al:

Thanks for the assist on post titles. I've been agitating these past few days for h2 (or actually is it h3, with h2 used for the text of dates?) for post titles. In my case, because it would help the post titles to stand out on those occasions when I switch to my own user-customized stylesheet.
7.7.2004 11:19pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Catch,

Yeah, I am working quite hard, but then what's the point of life if not to do good work? And how can one do good work without working very hard? :-)

As for 2 vs. 3 columns, that's not my call, it's what Dean wanted and was actually going to do even if he hadn't moved to powerblogs (someone was working on it for him, though apparently she ran out of time and wasn't able to finish it). I just finished the adjustment/redesign for him.
7.7.2004 11:22pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Al,

Well, I'd certainly consider changing the design more if Dean wants to, but what he wanted for the moment was to adjust his design to a 3-column design, rather than to redo it.

As for sticking the post title in an H2 rather than a title DIV, I'd be more likely to go for an H3 (Since the days are h2's) like Paul says. And, well, I can't think of why not. It certainly makes more sense than using a generic div. I can't recall why I didn't do that before.
7.7.2004 11:28pm
Al (mail) (www):
LOL, since I'm on such a roll... where are the p tags in entries? Ssince the entry font size seems to be an issue, this would have the advantage of making user stylesheets more useful as paragraph tags are a commonly modified element among those who go to the trouble of making a custom stylesheet.

As far as the headers go, H1 for the banner makes perfect sense, but I would use H2 for the post titles and H3 for dates and sidebar headings. It's a little more semantic that way and it's my understanding that Google cares. This would give the post titles more weight than the relatively unimportant dates.

I'll be leaving you alone now and I'm sorry for being a pest. This is what I do and it's almost impossible for me to resist.
7.7.2004 11:45pm
Chris Reid (www):
At 10:51pm eastern time, using Firefox 0.91 on Windows XP, it's looking alot better. You're definitely on the right path now.
7.7.2004 11:52pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Al,

P tags in entries is up to Dean. It's one of the options for how posts should be auto-formatted.

As for google, I'm curious what your source is. I was under the impression that google keeps a fairly tight lid on what they consider important so that it won't just be horribly abused.

Besides which, it's not like Dean's titles are often all that descriptive, anyhow. I mean, how would you know when searching about Michael Moore to look for "It's Official"?

And there is the logical semantics of it; the day header is a group in which each post resides. That's the idea behind the different header levels, after all. :-)

Thanks for the feedback!
7.8.2004 1:32am
Catch 22:
12:34 PM eastern:

Tis improving.......
7.8.2004 1:32am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
YEEEE-HAAAAWW!!!! WOOOO-HOOOO!!!! ARCHIVES!!!! Thank you, Dean! HAIL TO THE KING!!!!

And I love the new font for your headers. Big, bold, and sans serif. _Much_ better. Thank you. The "O's" are now rounder instead of so flat. I like that _much_ better. You're making Dean's World better all the time. Thank you.
7.8.2004 2:13am
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
Logged in first, then posted, java is on, www is in place, remember me is checked. Let's see...
7.8.2004 4:20am
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
Still had to hit refresh and still got the page not found for the comments section only. The web page itself didn't reload automatically. Oh well, I'll get used to it. I like the idea for getting rid of the white space. Good job on the page...As always.
7.8.2004 4:23am
Richard Sheridan (mail):
Seems to be pretty stable now.

Text no longer disappears when I wave my mouse cursor at it.

Thanks

Rich
7.8.2004 7:01am
Paul Burgess (www):
Chris:

Well, once again, Dean's World is looking even better this morning. Now looking very, very nice indeed!

And BTW... thank you, thank you, thank you, for putting the titles of posts in <h3>!!! To most visitors, this change won't even be visible. But to those such as myself who occasionally switch in a custom stylesheet as a concession to aging middle-aged eyes, it makes a big difference.

Here's a screenshot [83K] of how Dean's World now looks under said custom stylesheet. Note how the titles of posts stand out.

And for those who are interested, here are slightly more technical diagrammatic screenshots of before and after. (All effects produced via the Opera browser's user-stylesheet feature.)
7.8.2004 9:00am
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Katherine,

It's javascript, not java, that's required.

What browser/platform are you using?
7.8.2004 9:37am
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Paul,

You're welcome. I'm glad that you like it.
7.8.2004 9:38am
Jerry Kondraciuk:
Looking better and better!
7.8.2004 10:23am
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
Chris,
Thanks for the correction. Javascript, it is--sorry. I am using Internet Explorer.
7.8.2004 1:48pm
Aimee:
Chris - thanks for all your work, it's looking much better! Site heading no longer pixellated; post headings no longer Courier (THANK YOU!); left column is slimmer; "posted by" boxes are smaller ... Yay. Thank you, thank you!

And may I echo Steven Malcolm Anderson:

YEEEE-HAAAAWW!!!! WOOOO-HOOOO!!!! ARCHIVES!!!! Thank you, Dean! HAIL TO THE KING!!!!

:-)
7.8.2004 2:00pm
Mark Jaquith (www):
2-columns 3-columns.

Here's the quick way to tell that 3 columns is overkill. Scroll down. The right column ends anfter two page lengths... about 10% of the length of the page. The left column lasts another 15 page lengths (about 50% of the length of the page). After that, the content column is being squished without reason. I don't think there is much need for 3 columns.

So here's my wishlist:

- 2 columns
- smaller font on the side column, especially for the blogroll
- Change the Google Adsense ads to blend in a little better... the white background doesn't really fit
- kill the overline (border-top) on a:hover, especially on images. Blogads mouseover makes the page jump around
7.8.2004 6:29pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Katherine,

Is this behavior completely consistent still?

I really unfortunately don't know what to make of it. The actual posting process is implemented in pure (simple) HTML forms/HTTP redirect; any HTTP compliant web browser made in the last 10 years should work 100%. I mean, posting should work from a text browser. However, I haven't tested that. I'll go do that.

In the mean time, which version of IE? Also, do you have any software installed which might be messing things up? For example, any anti-popup software that might be over-draconian in what it prohibits?
7.8.2004 7:30pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Aimee,

I'm glad that you like it.
7.8.2004 7:31pm
Chris Lansdown (mail) (www):
Mark,

By the way, I just want to mention that I don't have any substantive response to you because these are all decisions that Dean has to make. I'm just implementing what he wants.

And do recall that as Dean becomes more successful at attracting blogads, the right hand column will go. Think of all that white space on the right-hand side as a goal. :-) (at least, that's my take on it — I don't know what Dean thinks)
7.8.2004 7:34pm
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Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.

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