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Okay, there have been criticisms, complaints, and postive comments in several threads of the new Dean's World. It's getting confusing.

Bearing in mind that changes are under way, I would like to hear any constructive criticism, suggestions, and general feedback on the new Dean's World.

Let's hear it. And by the way, if you're having trouble logging in, you can send me email via the link in the upper left.
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James Owens (mail):
Excellent. The account creation process was seamless for me. Glad the conversion went well.
7.5.2004 9:34am
Jen Speaks (www):
It looks pretty much the same except for the third column. I like the new font better. All bloggers may be forced to require registration for commenting if the comment spam accelerates.
7.5.2004 10:35am
Paul Burgess (www):
Well, sir, overall the new Dean's World is looking very good. I do see that several text entry boxes run over to the right, beyond the right-hand edge of their column: the Google search box, the comment box, and (I believe, though I can't see them right at the moment) the account name and password log-in boxes.

I'm glad to see that at long last you've restored the use of strikethrough in comments. Strikethrough has boundless snarky ironic potential. I hope you'll also be re-including the ability to embed <a rel="nofollow" href="url">links</a> in comments?

BTW, I'd like to enter a request for a feature which AFAIK has never been part of Dean's World: Would it be possible to format the titles of posts as <h3>, as some other blogs do? Some of us with aging middle-aged eyes and strange browsers (Opera) sometimes switch in a user-customized style sheet, the better to read our favorite sites. If the titles of posts were formatted as <h3>, they could then show up in a different size and/or color and/or font under alternate style sheets, instead of showing up in a different size/color/font only under your standard style sheet. As it is, when I switch in my own user-customized stylesheet, The titles of your posts are the very same size/color/font as the text of your posts— though the date (e.g., "Monday, July 5, 2004") is properly formatted as <h2>, and thus in an alternate user-customized stylesheet the date stands out from the rest of the text.

In other words, if you could please do the same thing (in <h3>) with the titles of posts, as you've already done (in <h2>) with the text of dates?

Sorry, Dean, I know I'm not explaining this last point very clearly; ask Chris, he'll be able to translate me into English for you.

Once again, overall the new Dean's World is looking good.
7.5.2004 10:43am
Paul Burgess (www):
Looking around in other threads, it appears that links embedded in comments are already enabled.

Still agitating for <h3> in titles in '04! ("The people... united... have never been defeated! The people... united... have never been defeated!" :)
7.5.2004 10:52am
Paul Burgess (www):
Uh, yeah, back to pester you again. I notice that in small-screen format (in Opera, Shift-F11) your blogroll has no line breaks, except where there's a "Whee!"

Also, for those of us who use a password manager (in Opera, "the Wand") I find that account name and password work fine in a thread when I click through to the full page ("Permalink"); but in the pop-up comment box (e.g., when I click on the "4 Comments" link), the password field works, but the account name doesn't— account name has to be filled in manually.

(BTW, is it my imagination, or is your format this morning mutating virtually by the hour?!)
7.5.2004 11:16am
Beth Donovan (mail) (www):
Dean,
looks good, I like the easy to read font. I did have a problem registering, though - when I open comments, they come up in a smaller than full screen window. When I selected register - that window also came up smaller than full screen, and there was nothing there. I had to try several times before I thought to expand the window to full screen - then I was able to register.
7.5.2004 11:57am
La Shawn Barber (mail) (www):
Glad you asked, Dean. I prefer the font on the other site. And I also liked the wider main portion of the blog. The three columns make the blog look cramped. I also don't like the blog title fonts; they're a little difficult to read.
7.5.2004 12:49pm
Andrew Quinn (mail) (www):
Eek, sorry Dean, but I like the older design much, much better. The italicised Courier-like font appears right out of a History Of WebPages gallery, and it seens extremely cramped.
How are you going to be able to fit your longer posts? Your new design simply doesn't leave any room for the content.
7.5.2004 1:19pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Dear Dean:

Funny, I had a dream about commenting here just before I woke up! Arnold Harris was here, too.

Anyway, you ABSOLUTELY MUST get your all you older archives of Dean's World, from the beginning of your blog. That is absolutely essential. An ABSOLUTE MUST! The things you wrote, and the things I and everybody else wrote here from even before I even heard of Dean's World, are just too precious to lose. It's an ABSOLUTE MUST! You MUST do it!

That's my first priority. Another, much lesser, thing is that, right here where I'm writing this comment right now, you don't have word-wrap working quite right, so that I have to either use the horizontal scroll bar or else maximize the comment box to fill the whole screen. I don't like to do that. But, that's minor compared to the archives issue.

A funny little thing: The blog ads on the right side of the screen jump up and down whenever I type anything or click on a link. The font? I liked the bigger font for "Dean's World" at the top, and also for the titles of your posts. But those are insignificant compared to the archives issue.

I'm VERY glad you have comment registration here. I read something you wrote saying something about _approved_ comment registration. That's even better. Keep out the trolls and spammers and such jerks. Allow only those who agree to behave themselves like honored guests and not like hooligans.

Be sure to invite the good ones, the old veterans, i.e., Arnold Harris, and Wince and Nod, and Tim the Soldier, and Mark Noonan, and Scott Harris, and people like that, to come here and comment.

But -- MOST important: BRING BACK YOUR OLD ARCHIVES!!!! PLEASE!!!! That is an ABSOLUTE MUST! HAIL TO THE KING!!!! AND HAIL TO THE QUEEN....!!!!
7.5.2004 2:59pm
Katherine Kelso Scott (mail):
I like the new font, easier to read. I prefer the old format so I don't have to continue to scroll and scroll. Also, when I post a comment, it doesn't register right away and often sends me to a "page not found" screen. When I log in, I end up on a blank page and not on the page I started at. I support change, however, and am willing to wait for the bugs to be led to another part of the yard.
7.5.2004 3:01pm
Jerry Kindall (www):
I think it would be kinda nice if the footers were not bigger than the headers and, indeed, all the rest of the text. That just looks wrong.
7.5.2004 4:57pm
Mrs. du Toit (www):
I really like verdana in 10pt, not 12. I am not partial to italics, because my old eyes have trouble with it (especially with a Courier style font). Your links and titles in italic are very unreadable for me (they are very, very fuzzy), but I'm old and accept a certain amount of having to deal with things like this. Verdana in 12 pt begins to fuzz a little, because the line strokes are thin, leaving a ghost like presentation in larger point sizes. Also, because your italic links are in blue, on a blue background, they compete for space in the pixel sphere, creating dither (which I describe as "fuzzy" or "ghosting").

I really, really liked your old site. It was very easy on the eyes.

Courier, I was told (but this is old school maybe) or any specialty font like that, should only be used as emphasis. The rule for readability was always the "two typeface" rule. More than two typefaces and your readibility drops considerably. Readers associate certain fonts with certain things, but if you have too many, they are lost. You picked two serifs and one san serif (it looks like your links are in Arial italic, your body in Verdana, and your titles in the Courier family), plus you are competing with the fonts on your ads. Generally serif is used where there is more text (in the body) and san serif is used in titles ONLY. Courier, although more blocklike in appearance, is in the serif family, which doesn't look good in larger point sizes (headlines, etc.). Courier, because it has a rounded shape is more difficult to read (something about monitors being backlit and paper being front lit), on the screen (but it is way too many years since I learned that for me to remember the actual rule/reason and the correct technical terms to describe it). I know why people use courier style fonts, but I can't read them.

But this is all, as I said, old school stuff, back from typesetting days. There was a period where people reversed the rule (early '80s), using san serif in the body and serif in headlines (but they used bold stroke serifs so you didn't get dithering). It was quite radical at the time, but I think that is now passe, too.
7.5.2004 8:21pm
Jeff Egnaczyk (www):
I too like the old site better. Too many italics here. It jumps out at you. The old site was easy on the eyes. It seems that you are using the italics in places that don't need any more emphasis. The titles and links are already a different color so isn't emphasis (in the form of italics) already implied and therefore unnecessary.

I also don't like registering for comments...but my site gets 10 hits a day and no comment spam so what the hell do I know :).
7.5.2004 9:50pm
Bill (mail):
New font is a bit painful and ugly, IMO, tho some mat find it easier to read. I'll get used to it, whatever it is.

Also, leading (horizontal space between lines) should be increased between post headings and first line of text.

Too much italics.

Leading between bottom of new posts and top of preceding post should also be increased.

Sorry it's all criticism, hope it's constructive.
7.5.2004 10:01pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I have Netscape 6 running under Windows 98. Maybe it's a bug in those, maybe it's a bug in your new program, maybe it's a combination of both, but the last time I tried to leave a comment here, my whole system froze and I had to reset my computer, which wiped out my address book, and I had to type in address all over again. I hope that doesn't happen this time. Please look into whatever bugs you may have in this new site/software that could cause crashes. Thank you
7.6.2004 12:08am
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Sorry to keep bugging you like this, but: Another thing you need to do is have the name of the post at the top of the comment window so we'll all have a better idea what we're commenting on. Often enough in the past, someone left a comment in one thread that belonged in another by mistake, and I fear that's going to increase unless you have the title of the thread at the top of the comment window as you did before. It was much better the old way. Thank you.

And, by the way, just to remind you: ARCHIVES!!!! Please.
7.6.2004 1:30am
Rachel Ann Anolick (mail) (www):
I also don't like the font Dean, And I also like a larger posting area.
This one seems so constricted. You've got what to say; it should predominate the page. Perhaps it may be good to distinguish it by
a different color? But that is just me.

As long as everyone is into the critique mode, is it possible for
people to come to my site and critique me? I'd apreciate it.

http://willowgreen.blogspot.com
7.6.2004 4:15am
Mark Jaquith (www):
It's a bit rough around the edges yet. Although I love Verdana, italics are a real bummer. The right sidebar needs to be wider, because it's messing up your blogads. I'd kill the Courier for the titles, make them H3 or H2 (I guess H3 is technically the correct choice). I've never liked the overline on a:hover (mouseover a link). If you took the italics off your blogroll, you could reduce its font size, to save space. I'm not sure you need two sidebars, it rather distracts. And I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't choose WordPress as your new blogging backend. Built in user registration!
7.6.2004 4:36am
Sean Kinsell (mail) (www):
Yeah, sorry to pile on, but you're definitely getting the ransom-note effect with all the fonts, font decorations, and counter-intuitive spacing. I also liked being able to see what time people posted comments in a thread on the old version. On the upside, my '76 Cutlass Supreme of a PC here at the office hasn't had problems when I've logged in or commented.
7.6.2004 5:38am
Andrew Cory (mail) (www):
The left sidebar could be cut by an eighth, perhaps as much as a quarter, and still have just about everything fit properly over there. You could then give that extra space to the center area. Keep in mind that the Center is why we show up in the first place...

Also, of course the fonts are a bit... odd.

I must say that I like the idea of what you are going for, but the execution is not quite there yet...
7.6.2004 5:45am
Paul Burgess (www):
Mark Jaquith:

Yes! Yes! <h3> for titles of posts! I'm glad to see somebody else is agitating for this one, too!

Let's keep agitating for <h3> for titles of posts!

("The people... united... will never be defeated! The people... united... will never be defeated!")
7.6.2004 8:25am
Arnold Harris (mail):
Why not stack the 'housekeeping' stuff (contact, subscribe, google link, archives, blogroll) in the left-side column under the box ads on the right-hand side? Neither of the side columns are more than about 1-2 screen pages in length. That would give us back the fine 2/3 of screen width display for the original articles, which makes them easier to read.

Another possibility is to use 1-2 separate opening screen pages for both the ads, blogroll, and the other housekeeping items.

I'm getting more used to the courier type face we get on the comments screen. But is there some way to bold it out a little more for the old-timers with their typically weak eyes?

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
7.6.2004 2:39pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
I notice that you seem to have fixed the word-wrap problem I was having. Thank you. Also, I notice that my comments don't take so long to load as they did on your old site. That is an improvement.
7.6.2004 9:26pm
Catch 22:
Arnold Harris is right on. The middle aisle needs to be much bigger and the blogroll much much smaller.

Thanks Dean. I can now log in.
7.6.2004 10:43pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
Good to see you here too, Catch 22!
7.6.2004 11:08pm
Catch 22:
Would that be: Steven Malcolm Anderson the Lesbian-worshipping gun-loving selfish aesthete ?

I don't know you. And you cain't sign in as such.
Have you thought about: LWGLSA ?
7.7.2004 12:28am
Catch 22:
Only kidding. Thanks
7.7.2004 12:32pm
Steven Malcolm Anderson (www):
When I registered here I used my name as such, the one on my birth certificate. I tried to add to that later on but was unsuccessful. So, I'll just go by my the name on my birth certificate, Steven Malcolm Anderson, without the descriptors, which were a response to a bit of persiflage that most people here have probably forgotten about anyway.

I notice that Tim the Soldier is now posting under his regular name, Timothy Snyder. I like that name. He is still a Soldier.

If anybody posts here under the name "Steven Malcolm Anderson", who is _not_ a Lesbian-worshipping gun-loving selfish aesthete, we'll all know he's an imposter and boot him out of here. I'm still who I am.
7.7.2004 7:26pm
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Of course we all lose our tempers now and then. Dean freely admits to being imperfect in this regard, which is why regulars to this establishment will generally be cut more slack than people who we don't know very well.

Still: behave like an adult, or go find somewhere else to play. Thanks.