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April 17, 2004

Internet Radio Question

I'm thinking about starting a Dean's World internet radio station. I'm looking at the moment at Live 365. Can anyone tell me if their service works okay for Linux, BSD, and Mac users?

Does anyone have a recommended alternative to them? The Blogradio service doen't look like what I want.

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Hey Dean,
This works fine on my Mac G4 with Mac OS X 10.3. Decent sound on a 128kps station called MakRadio. But going from page to page on their directory of stations is really, really slow...

Posted by Alan Macomber on April 17, 2004 at 6:42 PM


I've tried several things. Blogradio works ok for me. I've thought about ShoutCast, but it seems like a hassle. Yahoo Launchcast is way cool, but you don't choose the songs. They play "smart radio" based on your ratings. Works well for me.

Posted by Geoffrey on April 17, 2004 at 7:09 PM


Dean, I'm having no luck getting this service to run with Linux. I registered successfully; logged in; changed my user settings to reflect that I'm on dialup; and then tried out a couple of 32 kbps stations. Same problem each time: the popup player window would display raw javascript code mixed with graphics, and when I clicked on the player button, nothing would happen.

Thought this might be due to the flakiness of Opera (and Opera for Linux can be even flakier than Opera for Windows), but I ran into the very same problem with Mozilla and Konqueror.

The site talks about some proprietary live365 player you can download, but I try not to allow stuff like that on my system. Though in any event, "Player365 is currently for Windows only. Mac version coming soon!"

Figure out a way to pipe music to me over my dialup connection, so that I can listen to it with XMMS (or even RealPlayer 8, I'm not as pure as I like to pretend ;), and I will be a happy listener to Dean's World NetRadio. I'm sorry that I don't know anything about Net radio services.

FWIW, I am able to listen to the WLS 890 AM Chicago MP3 stream just fine with XMMS 1.2.7 running under Mandrake Linux 9.1.

Posted by Paul Burgess on April 17, 2004 at 9:28 PM


Dean,

Have you taken a look at Radio Blog Club? I have one on my blog. It's easy to set up. It uses Shockwave, so you use a utility that comes with it to convert MP3 files to SWF files. I've tried the radio on both WIndows and Mac systems and it works fine.

Posted by susan b. on April 17, 2004 at 9:58 PM


Have at it, Dean, but I won't be going near that slow, crapola ad-ridden site ever again. The Winamp Shoutcast site is fast, friendly, and easy to use.

Posted by Mason on April 17, 2004 at 11:14 PM


Shoutcast is a solid mature format. Heck... I can connect my Xbox to the internet and listen to Shoutcast streams live. Now there's compatibility!

Posted by Mark J on April 17, 2004 at 11:22 PM


We've been using Shoutcast for online college classes for about a year, and have been pretty happy with it. As Mark J noted, just about every player program will handle Shoutcast streams.... WinAmp, Windows Media Player, iTunes, and XMMS on Linux all work just fine.

We're lucky enough to have a very high speed internet connection so we run our own server. For an individual you'd probably want to rent some server bandwidth from one of the (many) places providing Shoutcast service..

We didn't like Live365 because of the ads; we thought they were inappropriate for a college class, but that may not be an issue for a personal broadcaster.

The one big advantage that Live365 has is that they take care of the music licensing crapola for you. That wasn't a problem for us because we're only webcasting lectures, but could be a significant advantage if you want to play music (legally).

Posted by Tony Hursh on April 17, 2004 at 11:32 PM


I'm pretty stuck on shoutcast Dean, I've been using it for about 6 months lately and haven't run into any problems yet. But I've also heard great thing sabout Live 365 and Icecast, both I've never looked into though

Posted by Lysander on April 18, 2004 at 12:25 AM


Of course, you don't have to have a 24 hour station. Mortality.net has a live cast 'bout once a month, and make the archive available for download afterwards.

You could do a comment show, a talk show, gab about your favorite subject. You don't necessarily have to have music, unless you want to.

Good luck.

Posted by Alan Kellogg on April 18, 2004 at 12:37 AM


Live365 is solid choice. Radio.Blog is cool since it is Flash and isn't big.

Posted by S-Train on April 18, 2004 at 12:38 AM


I'm bummed that Live365 doesn't work under Linux.

I cannot afford the bandwidth of hosting the radio station on my server. This is why I'd like a third-party service that does it for you for a small fee. I also don't want the hassle of licensing issues. Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like Live365 is the only one that take care of licensing and hosting--and doesn't work on all platforms.

Total bummer.

And yes, by the way, I want to do music. That's my main reason, in fact.

Posted by Dean Esmay on April 18, 2004 at 12:40 AM


FWIW, I'm running Live365 via XMMS on Knoppix.

Posted by Darmon Thornton on April 18, 2004 at 1:52 AM


What do you use to listen to it, Darmon? They don't have a Linux client, do they? Is that what XMMS is? (I assume Knoppix is a Linux flavor.)

Posted by Dean Esmay on April 18, 2004 at 2:24 AM


I would love it if you had live talk Dean. I am flying Tango, Papa, Delta 980 when I go to high speeds! Coming in for a landing, SAT...Runway 65 North... Over!

Oops! I am on the wrong thread, this cockpit has me in sheer utter ecstacy! Oops, this pilot is...aah, looking for?

Posted by Janelle on April 18, 2004 at 2:35 AM


Dean, XMMS is sort of the Linux answer to Winamp. And Knoppix is a Linux distro which runs off a CD— based on Debian, if I remember correctly.

I'd be interested in hearing how Darmon has Live365 running via XMMS— maybe just a matter of knowing the correct URL?— if he can do it under Knoppix, it should be doable under Mandrake or any other distro.

Posted by Paul Burgess on April 18, 2004 at 7:55 AM


Under the Live365 listen settings, I selected the "MP3 Player" option to use XMMS as the default player.

Secondly, when I go to launch the L365 stream I want to listen to, The L365 playlist window pops up, followed by a application request for the stream URL from Knoppix. I select XMMS as my streaming app, and voila! Live365 on Linux. :-)

It's a tad complex at first, but possible. I'm sure on permanent Linux boxes, the OS will remember the app preferences.

Posted by Darmon Thornton on April 18, 2004 at 7:30 PM


Darmon:

I did as you said, and it works!!! Thanks to you and XMMS, I am now listening to Live365 on Linux.

Thank you very much! :-)

Posted by Paul Burgess on April 18, 2004 at 11:06 PM


live365 under freebsd was a nightmare that consisted of trying to fake live365 into telling me its redirected URLs so that I could just use xmms.

Shoutcast, on the other hand, works love-i-ly.
but as long as you just give us a stream, somewhere, that's unemcumbered, i can make freebsd play it. Will you be able to do that once you're using live365? i'm happy to pay, if i can jsut get the base url...

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