Where are you or your ancestors from originally, Rosemary? Aren't the Indians the only 'real' Americans? Except for the them, we and/or our ancestors are all foreigners with foreign names.
My parents are from Poland. So? What's your point? The picture is funny. It's even funnier because I'm a hardcore partisn Republican and I think it's funny.
It has nothing to do with my sense of humor and I happen to have lots of it. You have to be able to control humor at some point or another rather than keep going and insult other culture. It's just stupid. Putting up a picture like that bashing the Irish and English shows you support that kind of trash and shows what kind of attitude you have. Why do you hate the French so much? Why do you hate anyone period. Is that the American way?
What do you expect from Republicans when you have a leader who mocks just about everything, including about not finding WMDs? Everything to them, even killing the Iraqis, is humorous.
From the many postings you have here, you don't sound like an adult either, Rosemary. You are teaching your kid at home, and I hope to God you are not teaching him hatred.
You don't know jack shit about me. Yet, you feel compelled to try and school me. You prejudged me. You don't have to like me and you don't have read me.
On this blog, you will respect others in debate or go home. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and responded to you after you attempted to shame me.
Not anymore. You can take your PC attitude and shove it up your ass.
Dean, don't even start with that pretentious stuff. Read your postings. Your claim of being neither a Democrat or a Republican is full of crap. It's so obvious you're 100% partisan Republican. Pretentious?
My mother's maiden name is Clarke. Norweigian, French, Irish. My father (who, by the way, fought the Nazis in World War II) was of Scottish descent, Dr. Samuel Kingdon Anderson. I have a necktie with a plaid from the Anderson clan.
Steven Malcolm Anderson has no sense of humor except sadistic, sardonic, or sarcastic. Or stupid.
Hey Dean, where did it say I am a Democrat? Did I mention anywhere that I am one. I have not even mentioned Kerry's name anywhere, not on this thread nor in any threads on this blog. I just don't like the way Bush is running the country nor the way he's handling foreign policies and the war, and that is where my dislike of the man comes from.
Heeheeheee. All I said was that in my experience, people who feel the need to pigeonhole me with a convenient little "partisan Republican" label are invariably blind partisan Democrats. Are you an exception? I really don't give a shit. You don't know the first thing about me, boy. But you're pretty funny to suggest that only a partisan Republican would fail to share your hatred for Bush. Slightly more than half the country thinks the man's doing a good job. Do you think that slightly more than half of all Americans are partisan Republicans?
Now my wife's teaching you hatred by posting comments to your pretentious silliness? You're either very silly or in badly in need of psychiatric intervention methinks.
But you are certainly entertaining on a Friday night.
Clark-e Oh that Clarke, the Clark-(E)nergy conglomerate (obviously the brains behind Dutch-Shell Oil who have traded their Scottish Heritage to gain an exclusive contract with the Libians in that Oil-for-Lockerbie for Yellowcake Uranium Production shell game better known as OLY-UP). Of course, that sinister "silent" E. That E for Energy should have been a dead giveaway.
He's a plant I tell you, a Demo-radical-Republo-fascist Volvo driving plant. Clark-e, Clark with an E, despicable, and their notorius table manners are atrocious as well.
Dean, be honest to yourself and come out of your shell and admit you are a partisan Republican. Why Dean? Are you ashamed to say it? Does it embarrass you to admit it?
Notice the tell-tale spelling of marko's name. The obvious subersive lower case "m," a blatent ploy to hide his true nature. And that "o" which can only stand for Oil.
Yo, marko. Don't beat on Dean, he's not a partisan Republican. I'm a partisan Republican. Though some people take me for a moderate liberal. Which is sort of like your take on Dean, only in reverse. <shrug>
And FWIW, I'm English, Welsh, Norwegian, German, and Scottish. My great-great-grandfather, Thomas Burgess (né Thomas Chamberlain) was a bastard son of Charles Grey, the second Earl Grey. Thomas jumped ship in Virginia in 1840, immediately changed his surname to Burgess, and fled up the east coast to Rochester, New York, where he met and eloped with a 15-year-old girl. They journeyed to the frontier, and homesteaded in what was then the Wisconsin Territory. Where they farmed, raised horses, and also raised a family of 16 kids.
It's a Friday evening, and I said I was going to stay away from my computer. Oh well, Leinenkugel's is a good beer, and marko is a mildly entertaining troll...
"Please don't feed the energy creature"— sorry, Dean. This is the first time I've slipped since that one clueless troll who thought I used to play drums with 10cc. ;)
HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL GOOD!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL!!!! AND HAIL TO THE KING!!!!
I've been reading this blog long enough to know that Dean isn't a partisan Republican any more than he's a partisan Democrat. He's more of a former Democrat who is dismayed at the direction his party has taken recently. He wanted Lieberman precisely so that the Democrats would have a decent candidate.
I'm kind of the reverse: a Goldwater Republican who doesn't like the direction that party has taken, and therefore I don't know who I'm going to vote for for President in this election, if anyone. I may end up writing in Leonard Peikoff!
Good for you, Paul Burgess! Along with Steven Malcolm Anderson, you are the most enjoyable Deaniac here! No, Dean is not a partisan Republican at all. He is not even a Republican.
At heart, he is still a Democrat, and does not believe that those in charge are actually acting according to Democratic principles. He believes in the true Democratic Party principles, Democratic principles are liberal, thus Dean is a liberal and the modern Democratic leadership is not. This is the basic reasoning, it appears.
It is not anything Republican in Bush that he likes. It is the part that resembles what he sees as the true Democratic Party that he supports. Hardly a partisan Republican.
Her Majesty is delightfully wicked, but not hateful. I could never believe that about a fellow libertarian, could I? :)
Seriously, Marko, do we need Rosemary to set you up with some hot woman to get your mind of your troubles? I have quite a number of ethnicities in me, from Italian to Slovak to Scotch-Irish, a real Bosnia there rolled into one. There are several others in there too. I would never label her as hateful of my background.
She is teaching her kid at home? Good for her! Are you trying to improve my opinion of her?
Steven Malcolm Anderson, I now know why we seem to agree on a number of things. The GOP needs more of your type in the party. Maybe this horrible drift of the party would be stopped if there were. Who is Leonard Peikoff? I might take that idea up.
Steve H. wrote:
"1) Not even "the Indians" are "real" Americans; even they were immigrants, just a little earlier."
If by "a little" you mean tens of thousands of years ago. Maybe Kennewick Man was here before then. (I was born in Kennewick, Washington!) If the "Indians" (who never were in India) are immigrants, then I'm not really European, because my (and your) ancestors emigrated to Europe or central Asia from the Great Rift Valley in Africa about a million or so years ago. We're all African. Even Strom Thurmond, who didn't want Africans (like his daughter) in his swimming pool, was African by that measure.
That doesn't mean I'm going to give the land I'm sitting on back to those who were chased out of here. I like it here and I _am_ selfish. I feel no guilt about the robbery since I wasn't even born then. I will, however, defend their right to make the best of the situation they're now in, and to exercise their religion as freely as the "Judeo-Christian" European immigrants get to.
*(I also never owned any slaves nor voted for any segregationists, so I don't owe any reparations to Jesse Jackson -- unless he'd like to pay some reparations to me for some of my ancestors having risked their lives to free his ancestors in the Civil War.)
Well, gee, that was fun. I hope marco comes back often - very entertaining. As far as where we all came from - don't the anthropologists say the human race evolved in Africa and then the migrations begun to all over to heck and gone in the next couple of million years? More recently we know that after the Romans conquered most of Europe, the Mongols invaded and conquered China, Genghis Kahn invaded eastern-Europe and Attila the Hun went further into Europe pillaging, killing and conquering. The Celts in Britain and Ireland as well as northern France were invaded and conquered by the Norsemen. The Saxons invaded the Anglos in Britain. And now we modern day Americans have to shoulder the blame for taking over a huge continent that was practically empty while we carry the shame of conquering the wilderness, settling the land and building a nation. After 500 years, we white Europeans have a lot to answer for. This place should be perfect by now with all reparations paid in full.
And don't get me started on Australia. Another dispossession of native people. Is there no end to this madness?
As to your question about who is Leonard Peikoff: He is someone who has never run for any public office and would never take such a job if it was offered to him. He is the designated heir of Ayn Rand, the man to whom she left her entire estate when she died, and he had a radio show some years back in which he articulated her philosophy very eloquently. I have tapes of some of his broadcasts. I agree with most of his views, though I am not myself an Objectivist (I'm too much of a "mystic"!). Dr. Peikoff's views on foreign policy are very similar to those of our own Arnold Harris.
Well gee, I came from my Mommy and my Daddy and I might have been born in California but Daddy wanted to take his beautiful wife back to Texas. I was concieved in California and born in Texas!
Sooo, my Mommy was a Democrat and my Daddy just voted for who he believed would be the best man for the job. Me? I turned out like my Daddy most of all, but have loved both parties.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, although Chicolini might look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot."
"Dean isn't a partisan Republican any more than he's a partisan Democrat. He's more of a former Democrat who is dismayed at the direction his party has taken recently."
That's just a meme, Steven. Dean changed, not the party. You can look it up.
Actually, from what he writes here, Dean's views seem quite similar to the policies of President Kennedy -- who, the more I think about it, was quite similar in many ways to President Reagan. "I didn't leave them, they left me."
Shep, Dean is from Texas. He is not from Boston or Philadelphia. You cannot expect him to act as if he was from a different region.
Have individual sections of the parties changed or has who is in control changed? Was James Eastland a Democrat? Did anyone view him as being less? Then why is Zell Miller? The same thing can be said about people like Lincoln Chafee on the Republican side.
The problem is that Texas Democrats are not being allowed to express their Democratism in the ways that they have always done so in Texas. You see some of the same on my side of the aisle up in the North. No, Dean has not changed.
I understand where Dean’s confusion comes from. Nevertheless, at least since Kennedy, the Democratic Party has stood for the same core principles: a strong defense coupled with a ”humble” internationalist foreign policy, defense of worker and civil rights (more recently to include protection of women’s reproductive rights), protection of immigrant and minority rights, economic development through free trade, high-quality public education and an active fiscal policy including progressive taxation, balanced budgets and a fair minimum wage. Those are still the core principles of centrist Democrats like John Kerry.
Meanwhile, the Republicans (particularly from the south) have radicalized. They have become the party of organizational over individual rights. The party of CEOs, rather than of teachers, firefighters and steelworkers, the party that exacerbates socio-cultural divides, the party that has dishonestly foisted an expensive neo-imperialist foreign policy while dishonestly dismantling the ability to pay for it, the party that says, “ask not what you can do for your country but how much of a tax cut you are owed.” That radical shift since Goldwater has pulled much of the south, including southern Democrats and Dean, along with it.
Dean has publicly admitted his dark, teacher union supporting, ACLU card-carrying past. He’s the one who has given up supporting teachers and public policies that help and protect average citizens and future generations, not the Democratic Party.
Where are you or your ancestors from originally, Rosemary? Aren't the Indians the only 'real' Americans? Except for the them, we and/or our ancestors are all foreigners with foreign names.
Marko,
My parents are from Poland. So? What's your point? The picture is funny. It's even funnier because I'm a hardcore partisn Republican and I think it's funny.
Where is your sense of humor from? France?
It has nothing to do with my sense of humor and I happen to have lots of it. You have to be able to control humor at some point or another rather than keep going and insult other culture. It's just stupid. Putting up a picture like that bashing the Irish and English shows you support that kind of trash and shows what kind of attitude you have. Why do you hate the French so much? Why do you hate anyone period. Is that the American way?
Get a grip. It wasn't bashing anyone except perhaps the Bush Administration.
I don't hate anyone. You know what putting up that picture says? It says that I can laugh even when the joke is on me.
That's it. Lighten up, Francis.
BTW, I want to make it clear that this graphic originally came from here.
What do you expect from Republicans when you have a leader who mocks just about everything, including about not finding WMDs? Everything to them, even killing the Iraqis, is humorous.
Marko,
You are completely clueless. Hopefully, that will change when you become an adult.
From the many postings you have here, you don't sound like an adult either, Rosemary. You are teaching your kid at home, and I hope to God you are not teaching him hatred.
Heh. "I hope to God you are not teaching him hatred." Pretentious, much?
Marko,
You don't know jack shit about me. Yet, you feel compelled to try and school me. You prejudged me. You don't have to like me and you don't have read me.
On this blog, you will respect others in debate or go home. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and responded to you after you attempted to shame me.
Not anymore. You can take your PC attitude and shove it up your ass.
Dean, don't even start with that pretentious stuff. Read your postings. Your claim of being neither a Democrat or a Republican is full of crap. It's so obvious you're 100% partisan Republican. Pretentious?
Marko,
You sure have a lot of hate in you. I hope you aren't teaching others to hate.
Bwahaha! I find that only blind partisan Democrats accuse me of that. But if it comforts you, you may believe as you wish. You pretentious twit. ;-)
This blog oppresses wymyn. But anyway...
My mother's maiden name is Clarke. Norweigian, French, Irish. My father (who, by the way, fought the Nazis in World War II) was of Scottish descent, Dr. Samuel Kingdon Anderson. I have a necktie with a plaid from the Anderson clan.
Steven Malcolm Anderson has no sense of humor except sadistic, sardonic, or sarcastic. Or stupid.
Rosemary, I'm learning hatred from you.
Hey Dean, where did it say I am a Democrat? Did I mention anywhere that I am one. I have not even mentioned Kerry's name anywhere, not on this thread nor in any threads on this blog. I just don't like the way Bush is running the country nor the way he's handling foreign policies and the war, and that is where my dislike of the man comes from.
Heeheeheee. All I said was that in my experience, people who feel the need to pigeonhole me with a convenient little "partisan Republican" label are invariably blind partisan Democrats. Are you an exception? I really don't give a shit. You don't know the first thing about me, boy. But you're pretty funny to suggest that only a partisan Republican would fail to share your hatred for Bush. Slightly more than half the country thinks the man's doing a good job. Do you think that slightly more than half of all Americans are partisan Republicans?
Now my wife's teaching you hatred by posting comments to your pretentious silliness? You're either very silly or in badly in need of psychiatric intervention methinks.
But you are certainly entertaining on a Friday night.
Marko:
1) Not even "the Indians" are "real" Americans; even they were immigrants, just a little earlier.
2) You're not "learning hatred" from Rosemary or anyone else; you're making it up yourself as you go from whole cloth.
Your choice, of course. It's just not very attractive to watch.
Oh yeah. I'm Irish, mostly, with a little bit of English (we don't talk about it here) and some trace seasonings mixed in. Big deal.
Clark-e Oh that Clarke, the Clark-(E)nergy conglomerate (obviously the brains behind Dutch-Shell Oil who have traded their Scottish Heritage to gain an exclusive contract with the Libians in that Oil-for-Lockerbie for Yellowcake Uranium Production shell game better known as OLY-UP). Of course, that sinister "silent" E. That E for Energy should have been a dead giveaway.
He's a plant I tell you, a Demo-radical-Republo-fascist Volvo driving plant. Clark-e, Clark with an E, despicable, and their notorius table manners are atrocious as well.
Dean, be honest to yourself and come out of your shell and admit you are a partisan Republican. Why Dean? Are you ashamed to say it? Does it embarrass you to admit it?
Notice the tell-tale spelling of marko's name. The obvious subersive lower case "m," a blatent ploy to hide his true nature. And that "o" which can only stand for Oil.
He's a plant, another one. Run Dean! Run!
Yo, marko. Don't beat on Dean, he's not a partisan Republican. I'm a partisan Republican. Though some people take me for a moderate liberal. Which is sort of like your take on Dean, only in reverse. <shrug>
And FWIW, I'm English, Welsh, Norwegian, German, and Scottish. My great-great-grandfather, Thomas Burgess (né Thomas Chamberlain) was a bastard son of Charles Grey, the second Earl Grey. Thomas jumped ship in Virginia in 1840, immediately changed his surname to Burgess, and fled up the east coast to Rochester, New York, where he met and eloped with a 15-year-old girl. They journeyed to the frontier, and homesteaded in what was then the Wisconsin Territory. Where they farmed, raised horses, and also raised a family of 16 kids.
It's a Friday evening, and I said I was going to stay away from my computer. Oh well, Leinenkugel's is a good beer, and marko is a mildly entertaining troll...
"Please don't feed the energy creature"— sorry, Dean. This is the first time I've slipped since that one clueless troll who thought I used to play drums with 10cc. ;)
HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL EVIL!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL GOOD!!!! HAIL TO THE QUEEN OF ALL!!!! AND HAIL TO THE KING!!!!
I've been reading this blog long enough to know that Dean isn't a partisan Republican any more than he's a partisan Democrat. He's more of a former Democrat who is dismayed at the direction his party has taken recently. He wanted Lieberman precisely so that the Democrats would have a decent candidate.
I'm kind of the reverse: a Goldwater Republican who doesn't like the direction that party has taken, and therefore I don't know who I'm going to vote for for President in this election, if anyone. I may end up writing in Leonard Peikoff!
Good for you, Paul Burgess! Along with Steven Malcolm Anderson, you are the most enjoyable Deaniac here! No, Dean is not a partisan Republican at all. He is not even a Republican.
At heart, he is still a Democrat, and does not believe that those in charge are actually acting according to Democratic principles. He believes in the true Democratic Party principles, Democratic principles are liberal, thus Dean is a liberal and the modern Democratic leadership is not. This is the basic reasoning, it appears.
It is not anything Republican in Bush that he likes. It is the part that resembles what he sees as the true Democratic Party that he supports. Hardly a partisan Republican.
Her Majesty is delightfully wicked, but not hateful. I could never believe that about a fellow libertarian, could I? :)
Seriously, Marko, do we need Rosemary to set you up with some hot woman to get your mind of your troubles? I have quite a number of ethnicities in me, from Italian to Slovak to Scotch-Irish, a real Bosnia there rolled into one. There are several others in there too. I would never label her as hateful of my background.
She is teaching her kid at home? Good for her! Are you trying to improve my opinion of her?
Steven Malcolm Anderson, I now know why we seem to agree on a number of things. The GOP needs more of your type in the party. Maybe this horrible drift of the party would be stopped if there were. Who is Leonard Peikoff? I might take that idea up.
Libertarian,
Thank you for the valiant defense of my honor.
You are one of my staunchest allies. :-)
Steve H. wrote:
"1) Not even "the Indians" are "real" Americans; even they were immigrants, just a little earlier."
If by "a little" you mean tens of thousands of years ago. Maybe Kennewick Man was here before then. (I was born in Kennewick, Washington!) If the "Indians" (who never were in India) are immigrants, then I'm not really European, because my (and your) ancestors emigrated to Europe or central Asia from the Great Rift Valley in Africa about a million or so years ago. We're all African. Even Strom Thurmond, who didn't want Africans (like his daughter) in his swimming pool, was African by that measure.
That doesn't mean I'm going to give the land I'm sitting on back to those who were chased out of here. I like it here and I _am_ selfish. I feel no guilt about the robbery since I wasn't even born then. I will, however, defend their right to make the best of the situation they're now in, and to exercise their religion as freely as the "Judeo-Christian" European immigrants get to.
*(I also never owned any slaves nor voted for any segregationists, so I don't owe any reparations to Jesse Jackson -- unless he'd like to pay some reparations to me for some of my ancestors having risked their lives to free his ancestors in the Civil War.)
Well, gee, that was fun. I hope marco comes back often - very entertaining. As far as where we all came from - don't the anthropologists say the human race evolved in Africa and then the migrations begun to all over to heck and gone in the next couple of million years? More recently we know that after the Romans conquered most of Europe, the Mongols invaded and conquered China, Genghis Kahn invaded eastern-Europe and Attila the Hun went further into Europe pillaging, killing and conquering. The Celts in Britain and Ireland as well as northern France were invaded and conquered by the Norsemen. The Saxons invaded the Anglos in Britain. And now we modern day Americans have to shoulder the blame for taking over a huge continent that was practically empty while we carry the shame of conquering the wilderness, settling the land and building a nation. After 500 years, we white Europeans have a lot to answer for. This place should be perfect by now with all reparations paid in full.
And don't get me started on Australia. Another dispossession of native people. Is there no end to this madness?
Dear Libertarian:
Thank you!
As to your question about who is Leonard Peikoff: He is someone who has never run for any public office and would never take such a job if it was offered to him. He is the designated heir of Ayn Rand, the man to whom she left her entire estate when she died, and he had a radio show some years back in which he articulated her philosophy very eloquently. I have tapes of some of his broadcasts. I agree with most of his views, though I am not myself an Objectivist (I'm too much of a "mystic"!). Dr. Peikoff's views on foreign policy are very similar to those of our own Arnold Harris.
Well gee, I came from my Mommy and my Daddy and I might have been born in California but Daddy wanted to take his beautiful wife back to Texas. I was concieved in California and born in Texas!
Sooo, my Mommy was a Democrat and my Daddy just voted for who he believed would be the best man for the job. Me? I turned out like my Daddy most of all, but have loved both parties.
Well, that is my story.
christ, I just thought the stupid cartoon was funny.
[rolling eyes]
I guess because I'm a Republican - it automatically makes me hateful to think it's funny. Good thing you're a Dem, Ara.
I agree with Ara! I agree with Ara!
(first time ever, I think...)
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, although Chicolini might look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot."
Ye gods. I'm agreeing with Ara too. This is beyond rare.
BwaHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha! My plan is working.
"Dean isn't a partisan Republican any more than he's a partisan Democrat. He's more of a former Democrat who is dismayed at the direction his party has taken recently."
That's just a meme, Steven. Dean changed, not the party. You can look it up.
Actually, from what he writes here, Dean's views seem quite similar to the policies of President Kennedy -- who, the more I think about it, was quite similar in many ways to President Reagan. "I didn't leave them, they left me."
Shep, Dean is from Texas. He is not from Boston or Philadelphia. You cannot expect him to act as if he was from a different region.
Have individual sections of the parties changed or has who is in control changed? Was James Eastland a Democrat? Did anyone view him as being less? Then why is Zell Miller? The same thing can be said about people like Lincoln Chafee on the Republican side.
The problem is that Texas Democrats are not being allowed to express their Democratism in the ways that they have always done so in Texas. You see some of the same on my side of the aisle up in the North. No, Dean has not changed.
Libertarian,
I understand where Dean’s confusion comes from. Nevertheless, at least since Kennedy, the Democratic Party has stood for the same core principles: a strong defense coupled with a ”humble” internationalist foreign policy, defense of worker and civil rights (more recently to include protection of women’s reproductive rights), protection of immigrant and minority rights, economic development through free trade, high-quality public education and an active fiscal policy including progressive taxation, balanced budgets and a fair minimum wage. Those are still the core principles of centrist Democrats like John Kerry.
Meanwhile, the Republicans (particularly from the south) have radicalized. They have become the party of organizational over individual rights. The party of CEOs, rather than of teachers, firefighters and steelworkers, the party that exacerbates socio-cultural divides, the party that has dishonestly foisted an expensive neo-imperialist foreign policy while dishonestly dismantling the ability to pay for it, the party that says, “ask not what you can do for your country but how much of a tax cut you are owed.” That radical shift since Goldwater has pulled much of the south, including southern Democrats and Dean, along with it.
Dean has publicly admitted his dark, teacher union supporting, ACLU card-carrying past. He’s the one who has given up supporting teachers and public policies that help and protect average citizens and future generations, not the Democratic Party.