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February 03, 2004

Okay, I'm On Board

Cobb has a proposal for ending the illegal alien debate.

Gotta admit, it's a way to unify both the right- and left- sides of the debate. Free Mexicans from the Mexican government!

But also, can we invade Brazil? They have hot women in Rio.

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Actually, I think we might end up developing some sort of North American version of the European Union within about 100 years...
Why?
Because the ease of communication and transportation shrinks distances and allows links to form across broad stretches of geography. We don't have that much in common with Mexico. Yet. Give it another 100 years of cross-cultural exchanges, and we may find Mexico and the border US states having as much similarity as Canada and their bordering US states... Canada is already all but dismantling their military and depending on ours. Their economy depends on ours to a great extent. Their health care system certainly depends on ours. We'll be largely united with them in another handful of decades, I'd wager...it will just take a little longer with Mexico.

Posted by nathan on February 03, 2004 at 11:24 AM


Excellent! I love the _style_ of that! Maybe we could revive the Monroe Doctrine and take over the whole Western Hemisphere. Get rid of Castro in the process. Mainly, though, those hot women.



I'm all for this :)

Posted by Dave on February 03, 2004 at 11:30 AM


Are Cuban or Brazilian women any hotter than any other nationality?
IMHO, almost any woman between the ages of 20 and 30 with between 15 and 20 % bodyfat can probably be considered hot (depending on body fat to muscle composition, of course...)
When not obscured by too much fat, women are just plain beautiful. There's usually something striking and unique and amazingly attractive about every woman who keeps herself in pretty good shape.
Am I "shapist", then? Yes, I guess I am.

Posted by nathan on February 03, 2004 at 12:34 PM


15 and 20? What do you want to bet Marilyn Monroe ws 25% body fat?

Our modern obsession with weight is starting to kill us and make us forget real beauty. In the 1950s, "a perfect size 12" was considered ideal, and 36-24-36 were considered fabulous measurements. Do you realize how hideously fat they'd consider that in Hollywood or in fashion mags today? Yeesh.

Of course, men fare only a little better in such comparisons, but that isn't talked about as much.

Posted by Dean Esmay on February 03, 2004 at 4:56 PM


Each to his own taste. Like Dean, I myself do tend to prefer more fleshy women. I remember hearing that 36-24-36 a lot when I was growing up. But I love the _style_ in which you wrote that, Nathan. Myself, I'm a "facist" above all. (Politically Incorrect connotations intentional) No matter what shape she has, if a woman has a beautiful face (as I perceive beauty), "striking and unique and amazingly attractive" as you put it so well, I'm captivated by her. Conversely, if she has an un-beautiful face, I look away. To my eyes, women tend to be either beautiful or ugly, very little in between. Men are just men, some better looking than others, but I don't have the same extreme reactions.



...and I don't think Marilyn Monroe is that hot.
But even if you do, my point was not that women who have more bodyfat are NOT hot, but that in my opinion their weight works against them: i.e., a plain-faced woman with a great body (like Jamie Lee Curtis?) will probably be more attractive to more people than a woman with the face of Helen of Troy and the body of Roseanne Barr/Arnold.

But in the end, physical attraction is only the beginning. My wife is a size 2, but I get excited when she disrobes not because I'm seeing a size 2 body, but because I'm seeing the body of the woman I love. You may say you like fleshier women, Dean, but I'll bet if Rosemary were a size 2 or 4, you would be telling people how much you love smaller women. The point is, I'd wager it is Rosemary you love, not her size. Your love affects your tastes much more strongly than your tastes affect your love.

Posted by nathan on February 04, 2004 at 12:48 PM


We might as well. It's been almost a year since we invaded anyone. So it seems about time.

Posted by Brian on February 04, 2004 at 2:59 PM


"I think we might end up developing some sort of North American version of the European Union within about 100 years..."

Yeah, that's what Fox and Bush want. Every American should make sure they don't get what they want.

"They have hot women in Rio."

Except they aren't... oh, never mind.

Posted by The Lonewacko Blog on February 05, 2004 at 2:11 AM


Lonewacko Blog, is it that your wife won't let you comment on how hot they are, eh? Maybe you don't want our wages to be reduced to third world standards, but you can't tell me you wouldn't want to surround yourself with a roomful of Rio beauties, now can you?

Posted by Libertarian on February 05, 2004 at 6:20 PM


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The omission of a word or phrase necessary for a complete syntactical construction but not necessary for understanding.

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