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January 20, 2004

I'm Done (Rosemary)

For the most part, I've really enjoyed blogging. It was a fun way for me to share in something that is special to Dean. I'm very opinionated and I make no apologies for the positions that I take.

I will say just about anything about a public figure that has angered me.

But the people that I debate with here, know deep down that I'm not intentionally hurtful to them. That isn't to say that I haven't hurt any feelings before, but not on purpose. Even then I'm usually remorseful afterwards. Most of the time we all trade insults, in fun.

Lately, I've been hammered on a regular basis by commenters. I've been called all kinds of names, hence the Queen of All Evil moniker. I'm not usually thin skinned but the nasty comments, emails and remarks about my intellect and character have just added up. I put myself out there, so I am responsible for soliciting a certain amount of vitriol.

I have received the last straw this evening. My feelings have been sufficiently hurt. Congratulations, you have successfully broken this camels back.

This is my last post. I may come back later after the wounds in my heart heal and my skin thickens back up.

I guess I'm not as shallow as some of you thought.

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Dear Rosemary:

I'm very sorry to read that. I've like all of your posts here, you've written some wonderful things and I've liked Dean's World largely because of you. I'll miss you and I hope you will blog here again because you add a lot of spice and _style_ and I always love to read your thoughts.



Don't go. I really enjoy your stuff, and if someone thinks you're stupid because of your posts, then that says more about them than you.

And besides, if you really loved me, you would keep blogging.

Posted by Michael Demmons on January 20, 2004 at 8:28 PM


Ummm....which commentators exactly? It would at least be enlightening to know who is forcing you out so we can firebomb their....never mind.

Posted by Minzo on January 20, 2004 at 8:35 PM


But seriously, dont let something like that get you down. If you do, they win ( i know thats a cliche but bear with me)

Posted by Minzo on January 20, 2004 at 8:36 PM


Rosemary,

One more thing. If people are leaving insulting comments, then that's what IP banning is for. I do it all the time - not for people who disagree with me - but for people who think an argument against anything I say is to "get AIDS and die, faggot."

You know the type.

Posted by Michael Demmons on January 20, 2004 at 8:36 PM


Look on the bright side, you aren't HALF as stupid as I am. Well, maybe half. You are just suffering from the same affliction as many home owners.

Location Location. Location.

When you blog with a goody goody like Dean, you stick out like a sore thumb. You should come blog with me for awhile. I'll make you look like Mother Theresa. Let me know.

Posted by Geoffrey on January 20, 2004 at 8:40 PM


Hope you come back soon, Rosemary.

Posted by Bill McCabe on January 20, 2004 at 8:41 PM


Here's hoping you heal up soon. Always enjoyed your writings.


Posted by IB Bill on January 20, 2004 at 8:42 PM


My motto since I've been an NCO has always been, "I've got more ass then they have teeth."

Rosemary, if MY ass is hanging out in this blog, you better make sure it's not the only one! You're really gonna PISS me off if you ditch.

"Every minute I stay off this blog I get weaker. And every minute the troll squats in the bush he gets stronger."

Posted by Tim the Soldier on January 20, 2004 at 8:44 PM


A sure sign that your point is being made is when people start calling you names. I wouldn't let it bother you that some people are intellectually sloven to the point that they actually think name calling is serious discussion. I would ignore it if I were you and wear the insults like badges of honor. You are clearly part of the rational minority and you should take great pride.

No offense to Dean but I find your posts as good as Dean's, if not better. I sincerely hope you reconsider.

PS: Went to BlogForAmerica after your post. Highly entertaining.

Posted by Ralph Stefan on January 20, 2004 at 8:44 PM


Rosemary,

I wish you all the best. From time-to-time all of us have moments when we need to step back and regather ourselves. We are almost always better for the process. Best wishes!

Posted by Dave B. on January 20, 2004 at 9:05 PM


Hell , come and blog over at the RANT, You won't get called nasty names, you won't get read either but thems the breaks.

Posted by Rick DeMent on January 20, 2004 at 9:20 PM


Hell , come and blog over at the RANT, You won't get called nasty names, you won't get read either but thems the breaks.

Posted by Rick DeMent on January 20, 2004 at 9:20 PM


Oh, Rosemary. I hope you change your mind. No offense to Dean, but I think your insights are always honest and from the heart and are a big reason I have made Dean's World a regular stop. I always look forward to your posts.

Do what you need to do for you, but don't let the venom from those who hate dim your voice for long.

Good luck and best wishes.

Posted by John McCrarey on January 20, 2004 at 9:22 PM


Rose, I'll break their kneecaps for you, if you like... :)

Posted by Casey Tompkins on January 20, 2004 at 9:22 PM


Rosemary, the internet will be a less interesting place without your words everyday. Do what you have to for your own happiness, I understand you blog for "fun" and stuff, so I won't beg you to come back, but you will be missed.

To those who mindlessly attack those they disagree with on the internet due to the "anonimity" it offers, just remember, karma is a bitch.

Posted by Cinomed on January 20, 2004 at 9:55 PM


Where's Mr. Mossberg when you really need him?

Posted by Ara Rubyan on January 20, 2004 at 9:55 PM


Way to go, John!

Seriously, Rosemary, take some time off, let Dean take the heat for a while. We'll still be here when you want to come back. I, for one, have really enjoyed reading both of your posts, and I like the Yin/Yang aspect of a lot of it, too.

Just say the word, and I'll create a username and password for you anytime.

Posted by Thinks Too Much on January 20, 2004 at 10:09 PM


Ignore the little voices on the blog and keep soldiering on.

Posted by Fred Kiesche on January 20, 2004 at 10:14 PM


The eels are getting might restless down in Texas...oops, sorry wrong thread, SHIT! Wrong weblog.

Posted by Tim the Soldier on January 20, 2004 at 10:23 PM


I rarely comment here, but I wish you all the best, Rosemary. I am one of the many who find your comments and posts just as amusing and insightful as Dean's, and I'd hate to see this blog lose your contributions.

All the best to you.

Posted by Cam on January 20, 2004 at 10:34 PM


Rosemary,

I enjoy your posts a great deal. I hope you'll reconsider.

Make use of the delete button and IP banning if need be. This is YOUR living room; guests have to behave.

Posted by The Commissar on January 20, 2004 at 10:48 PM


Rosemary when I first saw you I thought you were the most beautiful woman my son had ever dated that I had met.

When I saw you walk down that aisle in your wedding dress...tears rolled down my cheeks.

You are a very beautiful woman that is extremely intelligent and both Dean and I know it.

You may want to take some time for yourself. You may want to rest beside some still waters for some quiet inner reflection.

Nobody and I mean nobody is better than Rosemary. You have a quiet grace inside you that is remarkable, and I dear daughter witnessed that when I was around you. You have an inner strenght that keeps your family afloat and you must not forget that.

When I was down physically with my hip problem and going through therapy and my daddy was dying...You Rosemary...You...Pulled not only me, but, Dean together and...YOU got Dean, yourself and Jacob to Virginia to be by my Father's side.

THAT IS ROSEMARY ESMAY!!!

Don't you pay any mind to people that are mean. Oh, I do know how very, very much it hurts as I am the birthmother that had to relinquish a child sweetheart. Now you go on and do as you need to do for now because even though we are miles apart, we are not at all apart in thought.

Dean, I hereby give you 100% permission to print the copy of...THE TEDDY BEAR AND THE ROSE. Use my full name because it was printed in papers if you so desire.

Posted by Mary The Proudest Mom in the Whole Wide World on January 20, 2004 at 10:49 PM


Tim -- You need to start a weblog, because then you can have a tip-jar, and then we can all help you pay for the THERAPY you so desperately need :)

Posted by Allison on January 20, 2004 at 10:53 PM


When I see you have posted, a little smile just appears. I've never commented, like many others, so you don't know how many will miss you. Take a break but don't stay away too long.

Posted by Earth Girl on January 20, 2004 at 10:54 PM


Rosemary, I just thought of something I know you really really liked that I sent you all one Christmas! Remember the telescope?

Tim gave me the idea. You are so smart I bet you could do something with that and the eels!

Allison thinks Tim needs therapy Rosemary and we need you to come figure it out when you get back.

Gosh I love you so very much.

Posted by Mary The Grandma on January 20, 2004 at 11:14 PM


You know, for some of us, you are the voice of reason. Don't let it get to you.

Posted by Val Prieto on January 20, 2004 at 11:20 PM


Hail to the VERY _GOOD_ Queen of All Evil! Dean, brinhg her back! We need her!



Rosemary! You're gonna be MISSED. This is my favorite place to visit and without you it will be missing a very important ingredient - commentary from an intelligent but very sweet lady. And you are often very funny! If you need to have some respite from snarky mental midgets, then take some time off but don't stay away forever, please. I just don't see why there are so many jerks out there. Just ban their asses.

Posted by jane m on January 20, 2004 at 11:40 PM


It has probably been summed up already but I also wanted to ask that you stay. It was you and Dean who opened my eyes to blogging world. If it were not for your outspoken behavior I may never have discovered all the otehr wonderful and intelligent bloggers out there that I read on a daily basis.
If you must I wish you the best. If there is a possibility of you staying on and posting from time I would ask that you do so. (Pretty selfish of me eh?) I have wanted to silence my own political and social opinions in a similar style many times. Even in my recent attempt at my own blog I have seen nothing but negativism and inflamatory anger directed at me simply because of a visceral hatred over my beliefs and those who share them. I guess to end my ramble here I just want to say that you are an example of what can be accomplished if you continue to not allow them to silence you. I am just hope that sometime soon you can come back and thrash them all even better then before.
Cheers and good luck to you and yours in everything you undertake with the new free time! ;-)

Posted by James Doney on January 20, 2004 at 11:46 PM


I'll miss you as well. Dean is fine and all, but, those of us in the know, know that you are the real strength behind this blog. ;-)

Come back soon!

Posted by Plunge on January 20, 2004 at 11:46 PM


Rosemary,

I have enjoyed your words and I will miss your posts.

Yours,
Wince

Posted by Wince and Nod on January 20, 2004 at 11:58 PM


Rosemary, I am going to not give a damn right now and hope this gets to print.

I have always been afraid of writing something down for fear of family or friends approving and retribution.

Dean wrote about me the other day and he mentioned the bastard, yes, the bastard that I became pregnant with at just fourteen years of age. His name was put out there and he, Bobby Fuller made tons of money for his famous song..."I fought the Law and the law won". I say, that is really fantastic and he did a wonderful accomplishment in writing that famous song. He went on to do other songs as well and still has a cult following.

I too, FOUGHT THE LAW and I WON! I FOUND MY SON!

I am telling you this Rosemary because you said things on this blog in print and had guts I was scared to say in print until now. Maybe that is why my health has been so dammed awful and marriages have crumbled. I have had this inner turmoil inside with everybody making this Bobby Fuller into a SAINT!

I had a beautiful baby boy Rosemary. I was told immediately after I had him, IT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!
YOU ARE NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN!

I was taken back to my grandmother's house to get my girlish figure back. I had to eat broth and skim milk! I had to exercise over an hour a day. I was NOT to go out of my grandmother's house! NO NEIGHBORS COULD SEE ME!

NOW THIS Rosemary, is just after giving birth.

Do you know where I lived before I gave birth?

I lived with a very nice mexican couple that spoke no english. I spoke no SPANISH!

Is my hurt and anger the cause of a lot of my mental anguish throughout my lifetime? Is it the cause of people calling me names that were vile and disgusting to the point of turning me to never ending problems within my own family?

Rosemary, you and Dean have taught me that it is absolutely right to come out and tonight look what in the hell you brought out of my inner self that has been locked up for so many, many years. My Mother, my brother, my sister, my ex's and friends couldn't do what you just did in telling how many people come here? If this gets printed, then you have done something amazing, precious, absolutely, amazing.

Damn, damn and double damn...it feels good to let people know I not only found my son but I hellped reunite many, many people that were searching for their birthmothers, birthfathers and it was hell pure hell hiding that secret from my own children because of a stupid...forget it, I can't even say it. We drove from El Paso, Texas back in 1964, before there was a freeway for God's sake.

From El Paso to Las Cruces New Mexico, while I was in the back seat...in labor...so it would not come out in the paper with my family name or of course the Fuller name. Jesus can you imagine.

Rosemary...nobody, but nobody, can ever darken your name. Look at me and the things I have done. Just ask my children and then look at the love and forgiveness Dean has.

Posted by Mary The Birthmother on January 21, 2004 at 12:35 AM


Rosemary,

Some people call me cold-hearted because I refuse to show it when someone hurts my feelings. I'm like this: you stick a knife in me, and I'll be damned if I give you the additinal satisfaction of seeing me bleed. That doesn't mean I'm not hurting, however.

It also doesn't mean that I'm not looking for an opportunity to sweetly slide my own stilletto in them before they know what hit 'em.

Don't give the piss-poor critical thinker and arguer the satisfaction of seeing you bleed.

Posted by Juliette on January 21, 2004 at 12:50 AM


Get it.

I applaud the bravery of putting it out there, Rosemary. Some people DO take personal the comments left by strangers. It SHOULD impact you. You know that you are a human being, but unfortunately the trolls don't recognize that--you're just a Webbot/text on a screen to them. They say on a weblog what they would NEVER say to your face. Cowards!

I think men handle this a little better than women. That's a generalization, of course, but we wimmin folk speak from our hearts, bare our souls, open our skeleton closets, and then some bonehead says shitty things. What a world!

Stay under the covers for a while. I just wish I lived closer and could spend a day with you eating chocolate or going out shopping and spending WAY too much money. You know, all the things real women do when they're pissed off.

Posted by Mrs. du Toit on January 21, 2004 at 12:51 AM


Rosemary, don't let the bad guys win. Good shall always defeat idiots, it takes time and friends, time is forever and we are all your friends. Truth needs your help.

Posted by QuantumThnk on January 21, 2004 at 1:03 AM


Rosemary, unfortunately there are folks here in cyberspace who behave like real jerks. I mean, not just jerks, but real jerks. I suspect many of them are also real jerks in their everyday life in meatspace.

Look at it this way. You only have to put up with these jerks on those occasions when they surface here. Whereas they have to put up with themselves 24/7, for the rest of their born days. They are subject to the ironclad logic of Burnham's Seventh Law: "You can't divorce yourself."

Rest up. Heal up. I hope to see you back here some time soon.

Posted by Paul Burgess on January 21, 2004 at 8:00 AM


The reason someone comments or emails something hateful is generally to shutup someone which is rather easier than argueing the facts of what that person said.
Take some time off if you must but do not let a hateful troll silence your voice. The fact that you have drawn attention means that you must have hit the target. We need people who are on target and if you let yourself be bullied offline you are in effect letting the trolls win.

Posted by Starhawk on January 21, 2004 at 8:06 AM


I've not been reading this site long, I know little really about you or your writing but I'm still sorry to hear you are giving up blogging (for any length of time) because of arseholes. I hate it when the arseholes spoil something for someone.

I'm tempted to say don't give in to cyber terrorists by letting them affect your decisions but at the end of the day if you aren't enjoying something anymore then what is the point of subjecting yourself to further torture.

Best wishes for the future.

Cheekysquirrel

Posted by Cheekysquirrel on January 21, 2004 at 8:16 AM


I, too, need to grow thicker skin. I stick to "the funny" to keep from hanging my ass out on the line. The times in the past that I did, I felt the sting of some very mean-spirited people.

I admire you and Dean for what you say -- for the courage of your convictions. But I do know how much this blogging thing can hurt. So, I won't beg you to keep putting your ass on the line, but I will offer anything I can do to help you feel like you can post again if you want to.

I can help install that Comment Queue.

Don't let the bastards get you down. If these comments here are any indication, I'd say the love is winning overwhelmingly.

Love,
M

Posted by margi on January 21, 2004 at 9:06 AM


Rosemary,
I don't know who really got to you but let me give you some advice from a real little old lady. If this person is someone you don't really know in person, have no relationship with, and have only known them blogwise, just blow off what they say. Only let someone who really matters bother you. Don't let a stranger hurt your feelings. I'm sure it was more than a casual comment cause some of these are brutal, but most of us love your style and comments. Maybe its a girl thing. I've made it a policy for years now that if someone really doesn't have anything to do with my life, what they say doesn't matter. Hope you will be back soon, Ruth

Posted by Ruth H on January 21, 2004 at 9:41 AM


Rosemary, all I can add is, DON'T GO! You are a big reason I come here. You will be missed.

Posted by Adam the Cat Slayer on January 21, 2004 at 10:11 AM


Rosemary,

I also will miss you and wish you wouldn't go, but I understand. In your shoes I'd be so likely to do the same. It's human nature for many of us to retreat when attacked.

I know what it is about you that riles them, and I know what it is about them that goes insane. I've been on that side of the fence. I can even guess what post set them off. Your writing is clear, opinionated, heartfelt, fiery, and challenging. I wish you'd keep it up and I will miss it!

Please come back when the wounds have healed.

Posted by Peg C. on January 21, 2004 at 11:14 AM


Allison, I want to start my own blog, but I'm not sure where to get started. I'm pretty good with computers, but I am probably the one person with no experience publishing my own web page. If someone would like to lend a hand, I'm in. I will plan to launch my blog on Dean Esmay's Birthday. Now, what should I call it?

Posted by Tim the Soldier on January 21, 2004 at 11:24 AM


Tim:

I for one would enjoy reading a blog by you. Now, as for the name, I think it would have to include some reference to eels...

Posted by Paul Burgess on January 21, 2004 at 12:04 PM


Here's a heads-up for Tim, and for anyone else thinking of starting a blog anytime soon. The deadline for a free, three-year 1and1 account is today. Get the account now, and start blogging whenever. Free MT setup on request, just send an email to exodus@wizbangblog.com.

Posted by Xrlq on January 21, 2004 at 1:22 PM


Tim the Soldier: Any idiot can start a blog on Blogspot, and most have - I ought to know.

As for what to name it, sheesh, don't tempt us like that....

Posted by J Bowen on January 21, 2004 at 4:10 PM


Like some other commenters in this thread, I've never commented before, but I feel I have to at least thank Rosemary for all her wonderful posts.

I hope you come back, but I'll respect your decission of course.

Posted by Kees van der Griendt on January 21, 2004 at 9:18 PM


Tim -- I'm the wrong one to ask since I'm personally blogless. I'm not funny but YOU on the other hand are really depriving the world. (I'm only half teasing) HOWEVER, one thing I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the King-Of-Fools is doing a fabulous job on his new adventures in web-design. I'd never been to his site until he re-designed AdmiralQuixote. Wow. Its just amazing the change in the site. Its pretty now. YOU TOO DESERVE A PRETTY BLOG.

Posted by Allison on January 22, 2004 at 12:08 AM


Tim the Soldier and Eel-Master: I hope you get a blog, I'll be sure to read it. Anyway...

Rosemary is great. Bring her back!



Take care of yourself first Rosemary. Just don't forget that you're better than they are. I look forward to reading you when you get back.

Posted by shep on January 22, 2004 at 4:45 PM


Dammit! first Rachel, now you. I won't presume to say don't, you have to do what you have to do, but know you'll be sorely missed and your return eagerly awaited.

Posted by feste on January 22, 2004 at 7:11 PM


Oh, no! Rosemary, please don't quit. I love reading your stuff! I will set you up so you can post on my blog - I don't have the following you and Dean have, and as a result, I don't get too many icky commenters. Please don't quit.

Posted by Beth Donovan on January 24, 2004 at 9:13 PM


 



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