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January 06, 2004

Know Your Holocausts

Awareness of mass murders and other major atrocities committed by Communist regimes remains exceedingly low. How does your knowledge compare? Take this test to find out. It was put together by Professor Bryan Caplan of George Mason University. Find out how you compare to others.

I cringed at my own score.

("What's your point? We knew they were bad." Yeah, uh huh. Take the test, Bunky.)

(Via Dodd.)

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Horrifying.


Posted by IB Bill on January 06, 2004 at 9:59 AM


45%, Intermediate. Ugh, I should have done better. . .

Posted by metaphysician on January 06, 2004 at 10:28 AM


I got only 40%, Intermediate.

Posted by susan b. on January 06, 2004 at 11:15 AM


But of course we all know that they weren't REAL Communists, right?

Sickening.

Posted by Anthony Alford on January 06, 2004 at 11:38 AM


"R.J. Rummel's Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917, surveying various estimates of attrition rates in Soviet camps, finds the typical camp death rate ranged between 10 and 30%. Taking the middle estimate (20%) and using basic arithmetic, one arrives at the 10% figure."

What the crap does that mean?

Posted by Brian Tiemann on January 06, 2004 at 12:04 PM


Hmm, good catch, Brian. Maybe we should write to Professor Caplan?

Posted by Dean Esmay on January 06, 2004 at 12:06 PM


It means .8^10.

20% death rate per annum means 80% survive each year. Carry it out ten years.

10.7%

Posted by mj on January 06, 2004 at 12:55 PM


So 11% then?

Posted by Dean Esmay on January 06, 2004 at 12:57 PM


Is 10.7% not "around" 10%?

I'm not interested in arguing, I'm just answering a question about what the math means.

The odds of surviving a 10-year sentence in of Lenin or Stalin's typical slave labor camps were around...
A. 80%.
B. 60%.
C. 30%.
D. 10%.
E. under 3%.
F. under 1%.

Posted by mj on January 06, 2004 at 1:07 PM


Whether you do well or not, it's good for us to be reminded of why winning the Cold War was so important not only for our own security, but for the people who lived under communist governments. Thanks for pointing out the quiz--it was an eye opener for me.

Posted by zombyboy on January 06, 2004 at 1:33 PM


60% - but I think we should all score ourselves an extra 10 points; the communist atrocities were so horrible and varied that its ok if you missed a few of the types of groups murdered....

Posted by Mark Noonan on January 06, 2004 at 2:09 PM


60% - but I think we should all score ourselves an extra 10 points; the communist atrocities were so horrible and varied that its ok if you missed a few of the types of groups murdered....

Posted by Mark Noonan on January 06, 2004 at 2:09 PM


60% - but I think we should all score ourselves an extra 10 points; the communist atrocities were so horrible and varied that its ok if you missed a few of the types of groups murdered....

Posted by Mark Noonan on January 06, 2004 at 2:09 PM


I got an advanced score - which, judging from the amount of reading I do on the topic - disheartened me. A good quiz though - it opened up to me where the blanks are in my knowledge. And there are many!

Posted by red on January 06, 2004 at 2:46 PM


Ghastly sons of bitches, weren't they?

Posted by Anticipatory Retaliation on January 06, 2004 at 2:53 PM


I got 40% but it would have been lower if the answers didn't hint at the correct answers, since I had relevant knowledge for only a small fraction of the questions.
Hint:assume the worst, unless it's really really extreme

Posted by maor on January 06, 2004 at 3:31 PM


A very good test. I was shocked at how little I knew. Intermediate, but that's nowhere good enough. I didn't underestimate, though.

Posted by Steven Malcolm Anderson the selfish aesthete on January 06, 2004 at 4:15 PM


Intermediate — meaning shockingly low. Jeez.

Posted by Michelle Dulak on January 06, 2004 at 6:05 PM


Thanks for the explanation, mj. Seems to me they could have spent a few extra words clarifying that. :)

Posted by Brian Tiemann on January 06, 2004 at 6:12 PM


Got 50%, but don't feel very 'advanced', even if partial credit was not given for getting a good chunk of individual combo answers right.

This from an engineer/musician, who during residence in Berkeley between '66 and '70 was shouted down at any and all criticism of the Soviet and Chinese murders. The adulation for the Cultural Revolution on Telegraph Avenue was obscene, and plenty of those worshippers are now living high on the hog of tenured academia. Retch.

Since the subject of these holocausts was forbidden for 'polite discussion' among the musicians, and the engineers mostly didn't have deep interest in this history, I spent the next 30 years reading up on it, at random and unguided. The only amusement it has given is the look of shock and horror on the face of people visiting for a tune, and then perusing the bookshelf. Yes - I'm guilty of being on good, even warm social terms with folks who acquiesced or even approved of the actions of the Marxist 'leaders' who just did what they had to do.

Funny how they get away with that, I sure wouldn't hang out with old Nazis.

But amusement isn't the purpose. I just feel it should the business of a citizen to know about these events.

And it sure puts into perspective the yowling of the lefties about U.S. 'atrocities'.

Posted by Insufficiently Sensitive on January 07, 2004 at 12:13 AM


They should be teaching this in the schools.
By the way, those people who shouted you down in Berkeley were and are (if they haven't changed their views) Communists. Not liberals or Leftists. Communists. Of course, it's McCarthyism to call Communists Communists because we all know there's no such thing as a Communist. It's not bad to _be_ a Communist, but it's bad to call someone a Communist. If they had shouted you down for condemning Hitler's murders, everyone would call them Nazis. Not conservatives or Rightists. Nazis. Same thing as far as I'm concerned. Communists and Nazis, I mean. Totalitarians of any stripe are loathsome.

Posted by Steven Malcolm Anderson the selfish aesthete on January 07, 2004 at 1:03 AM


Can't quite think of all of them as Communists, though there must have been plenty of real ones guiding the seething masses. The mindset was more like 'America sucks so whatever opposes it must be great'. It was more a revolt of the spoiled children than an organized movement, but all too many of those brats remain way left in the spectrum. They'd have made a great Socialist Revolutionary party, furnishing energy for the inner-party Leninists to control and eventually purge (except the real SRs did plenty of purging themselves). And many split off to become politically correct yuppies in later years. Some still visit Cuba for a hit of sweet 'what could have been' nostalgia.

Posted by Insufficiently Sensitive on January 07, 2004 at 12:27 PM


37.5%

Posted by Jay Solo on January 07, 2004 at 3:39 PM


I wish the ones who visit Cuba and aren't outraged by what they see would stay there.

Posted by Steven Malcolm Anderson the selfish aesthete on January 07, 2004 at 4:03 PM


A fairly knowledgeable Russian friend of mine got 9/23 (skipped the questions about China)
Tough test

Posted by maor on January 07, 2004 at 4:24 PM


50%, and I think anything above 60% would indicate too intimate a knowledge of sheer horror and wickedness.
To be able to know enough to answer each and every one of these questions must leave you weeping.

Posted by ks on January 07, 2004 at 5:42 PM


If they don't belong to an organized Communist party but they still excuse, justify, and ignore Communist genocide, then they are just like the Holocaust deniers who don't belong to a Nazi party (some Holocaust deniers even profess to be libertarians!). And they deserve to be treated with the same contempt.

Posted by Steven Malcolm Anderson the selfish aesthete on January 08, 2004 at 12:35 AM


and if they are truly shocked and have the decency to start calling themselves something else, such as "Greens", then they are OK, at least for people with silly ideas.

Posted by maor on January 08, 2004 at 8:09 AM


 



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