Arnold the Nazi?
I don't link to Justene Adamec very often, mostly because I don't live in California and California politics are her raison d'être. But she's really been on a roll lately, with tidbits on the California recall, info on Russians and Saddam and WMDs, and more. You really should visit her some time. Especially if you're a bear-flagger.
Yeah, they'll bring it up; personally, I had never thought about the matter. But, yeah, Arnold is of the age where his dad was likely involved in Nazism...of course, by my calculation he was also born in 1947, two years after the Nazis were destroyed - but Davis has never let decency get in the way before.
Yes, Arnold's father was a member of the Nazi party. There is no indication that the father was involved in any of the things one associates with such a label. Arnold learned this after moving here and making his mark. Arnold has become a huge supporter of the Simon Weisenthal Center and has received at least one award from the center. He certainly was not influence by his father's Nazism, except to motivate him to work against such people.
Justene,
But just watch - if Arnold gets in and looks to be the front runner, Davis' people will use it - and use it to the hilt. I can just see the push-polling they'll do.
In a way, Davis is symbolic of all that is wrong with the Democratic Party; their slavish devotion to special interests, their win at all costs mentality and their inherent dishonesty.
Let me see if I got this, Arnold's father might have been a real bastard and therefore Arnold must be .......... I don't get it. Even if Arnold's father was Hitler himself who cares. Do liberals now believe that such moral bent is genetic. Former KKK members of the Democrats can be electable but if YOUR FATHER was a Nazi, then YOU are unelectable. God I hate liberal bastards. You people make no sense.
Jeff -
You right wingers always seem to get it wrong.
Arnold could not choose his father, but he could choose who he publicy admires, eve so far to declar at his wedding how much he and Maria love Waldheim!
He refuses to denounce him and was publicy seen sitting next to him as late as "recently as 1998".
But I guess having Waldheim as a buddy is OK with you.
Here goes,
Hey what did your Dad do in the war?
He fought in Germany was decorated with
a bronze star, silver star, purple heart,
died in 1977 with shrapnel still in his
back. What did your Dad do in the war Arnold?
Oh he was a Nazi.
Let say there are 35 million Californians,
is this the best you guys can come up with?
I guess it would be impossible to make you see that every step of the way makes plain
that you are not conservatives or Republicans but
Fascists, out to form the new Fascist State.
I just think it's funny that you are defensive
about Arnold's Dad being a Nazi. Tell me did he beat any Jews to death? I bet you don't really want to know. Thats just how it was in Germany.
Better not question.
Seig Heil Conservative.
Here is a very interesting excerpt from 12-25-1996, movie news about a 'anti-nazi' movie Arnold wanted to make. Here is the link..
http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-96/12-25-96/c06ae100.htm
"If and when Arnold ever makes "With Wings as Eagles," it would almost be like waving a swastika in front of the press. And would almost certainly result in the reprinting of Arnold's father Gustav's membership card in the Austrian Nazi party, as well as stories reminding people of Mr. Schwarzenegger's friendships with ex-Nazi Kurt Waldheim (whom he invited to his wedding) and Jorg Haider, who resigned as Austria's provincial prime minister after saluting Adolf Hitler's "sensible" policies.
Other allegations may be refloated, like the one Charles Fleming included in a March 1992 Spy magazine article -- confirmed, he wrote, by "a businessman and longtime friend of Schwarzenegger's" -- that in the '70s Arnold "enjoyed playing and giving away records of Hitler's speeches." There is also the allegation of Arnold's having said on-camera, during the filming of "Pumping Iron" (1977) by director George Butler, that he "admired" Hitler."
The fact that his father was a Nazi isn't necessarily that bad, after all, dubya's grandfather was labelled an enemy of the U.S. and a conspiritor with Germany during WWII, but nobody brought that up. However, listening to Hitler speeches, making copies of them and handing them out, and saying you 'admire' Hitler, as well as having friends who also were Nazi's or Nazi sympathizers is not a good thing. This could get very interesting very quickly.
My wife is Austrian, and believe me when I say that I understand this Nazi past stuff. Everyone in Austria is familiar with it, and it's not a comfortable topic of conversation there. I never talk about it especially now that I have a daughter. Do I really want to think about my child's great-great uncle who was a Nazi policeman? Probably not.
However, in terms of Arnie, don't be so quick to judge him. It's rather screwed up in Austria: While my wife's great-uncle was involved in Nazism, her other great-uncle was actually imprisoned for being against the party.
So let's not cast stones. Arnie as well as so many other Austrians most likely had relatives who were also enemies of the state. These relatives were the righteous ones who stood up in defiance of Hitler -- in the very womb of the beast. Some paid the ultimate price. . .
My wife is Austrian, and believe me when I say that I understand this Nazi past stuff. Everyone in Austria is familiar with it, and it's not a comfortable topic of conversation there. I never talk about it especially now that I have a daughter. Do I really want to think about my child's great-great uncle who was a Nazi policeman? Probably not.
However, in terms of Arnie, don't be so quick to judge him. It's rather screwed up in Austria: While my wife's great-uncle was involved in Nazism, her other great-uncle was actually imprisoned for being against the party.
So let's not cast stones. Arnie as well as so many other Austrians most likely had relatives who were also enemies of the state. These relatives were the righteous ones who stood up in defiance of Hitler -- in the very womb of the beast. Some paid the ultimate price. . .
Look Arnold's Dad started try to join in 1938.
He was a go getter, ahead of the curve. Again I would ask, did he beat any Jews to death? A fair question. His son
becomes the poster boy for violent movie culture
and then shazam, he makes his big opportunist
move. How do you spell parasite? If you find you need to defend him I would say, whats to defend my local paper refuses to
print anything related to this fact. Mexican Americans should note that to a staunch Nazi upbringing they are a dogeral race. Oh I think it goes deeper than Arnold. It is the psyche of the right I am refering to. Mean spirited Ha! Baby words. How about a collective body that is evil, viscious and absolutely with morals. Sociopaths, that comes close. They are an arogant sickness without measure in this countries history. The Halfwit and Arnold are the standard with which we now go by. Try and get your kids into Yale with a 1.9 GPA. Imagine the events of the last three years with Mr. Clinton at the helm. Rabid Foaming at the mouths Republicans would have strung Clinton up!
Not a couple of inches of cigar or a defunct 20 year old Arkansas land deal but Treason on a grand scale. Now Arnold, not a word about how the state went into debt except Davis mismanaging the "Crisis". Crisis! Calculated rape by the halfwits energy buddies. Planned of course long ago. It is funny that for both these poor excuses for human beings I have the same reply. Seig Heil!
FACE IT WERE GOING TO ELECT A FORMER CITIZEN OF AUSTRIA MAY ALL AUSTRIANS BARE HITLERS SHAME!
Hitler is a dual citizen, a citizen of both Austria and the USA. Forget about his dad, that's a red herring...look at his NAZI friends--look at his connections.
Bennett is a Democrat and a member of Bohemian Grove. When are you people going to get past this mindless politics-as-sports nonsense? I.e., The democrats are good and the republicans are evil or vice versa?
We have a one party system in this country. Bill Clinton dumped DU on Serbia and now Mr. Establishment GW Bush is dumping some more on Iraq. Thousands of Gulf War I vets died from this crap.
Arnold is another Mr. Establishment. He's no more "conservative" than GW Bush is.
NAME ONE THING CONSERVATIVE ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
Arnold is for abortion, open borders, gun control and his connections include Lord Rothschild, William Bennett, Shultz, a load of Nazis and Bohemian Grove.
WAKE UP! You're living in a controlled society, we are not free.
Republicans are and continue to be fiscally conservative, which is exactly what thr state of California needs right now! Once he realizes how expensive it really is to be socially liberal and how liberalism ruins children, Ii suspect he will grow more conservative.
People in this forum toss around the word liberal too much. What makes someone liberal truly? Do they have to be hippies? Do they have to be for peace and love? Or do they just not have to support idealism from either the left or the right? AND how does liberalism effect children? I could see how no gun control might effect children, or Illegal immigrants with licenses whom can't even read the speed limit signs... Both of which I believe Arnold is against. People should think less and less of the figurehead in office and think more and more about the people he sourrounds himself with, they are the ones who truly do the thinking and they are the ones who make the decision. They just put the Austrian BodyBuilder out to read the speech, doubtful he even knows what the speech is about or if he even agree's with it. But of course, alas we live in the US and all of that doesn't matter, its up to the Aides to decide.
Furthermore, anyone; ANYONE who says someone who rose to power (even through scare tactics and propoganda) wasn't an amazing leader with an incredible intelligence is plain foolish. What you stand for and what you did as leader in irrelavent; fact of the matter is he was able to brainwash enough people to stand behind him and create more financial success for his country then the world has ever known. To bring a starving, deppression of a country out and create jobs; money; an amazing military machine and who knows what else is remarkable.
I don't agree with Hitlers views, Anti-Semitism is wrong like any other predujice(sp?). But you don't see people renouncing our past leaders whom exterminated millions of native americans, enslaved a race of able bodied people, and created one of the larger predujice groups worldwide(KKK). You dont see anyone questioning the fact that we only freed slaves to win a civil war.
So why do they question the fact that his father was a Nazi? Obviously he disagree's with his fathers views.
Otherwise we gonna have a mini holocaust on our hands... And it will be Arnolds hands soaked in blood.
Looks like once again we are having to much time in our hands, looks like we are nagging like bunch of childish people. when is it enough. Who cares about comments that were once made,or what he said when he was a kid, I bet my life, we all have said stuff.Once again we are letting ourselves be played with.THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING, IS HE FIT ENOUGH TO RUN THE STATE, NOW AND ONLY NOW, based on the man he is, not the kid he once was.