She's hilarious and oddly attractive. I also think she's intelligent and, usually, well-spoken. And I doubt like hell that she'll follow through with her end of the bargain.

Unfortunately.

I agree 100%. I saw a repeat of that interview on tv this morning, and if she has the chutzpah and the moral fortitude to actually apologize, I will absolutely have more respect for her than I could imagine. What an amazing chance she has right this minute. And you KNOW, she'd be all over the media bagging on O'Reilly, taunting HIM to keep his end of the bargain if it had gone "her" way. I'm interested to see if this plays out at all, but I doubt it. Sadly, I doubt it.

Um, no WMD's so far.

So maybe fruitcake, but hold the flowers.

Or versa vice.

I'm just saying.

what ever happened to those missiles? thought they found a bunch of ready-to-launch(tm) (just add fire!) warheads loaded with chem or bio payloads.

I believe the missiles found in Karbala are still being tested to determine whether or not they contain sarin and mustard gases. But there is also some interesting news about the discovery of underground, possibly nuclear, research labs in a suburb just south of Baghdad.

And let's not forget about the chem weapons drone that was discovered before the shooting started.

Or the chemicals poured into the euphrates.

And the hundreds of bunkers and such that we have found but haven't searched.

And all of the scientists and people working in the WMD program who will now be free to speak and tell us which schools and day care centers and so on much of the WMD are burried under. And where the portable WMD labs (built inside of 18 wheeler trucks) are parked right now.

Remember: Hussein was real good at hiding these things (there was at least once when the inspectors were going to declare him clean but a wave of defectors proved them wrong). It's not very likely that we're going to find them without seriously looking for them, and without the help of the people who used to be hiding them.

question: if Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and knew that his number was up (which, let's face it, he must have done with the world's biggest military force on it's way) wouldn't you expect him to use them?

I mean, maybe he wouldn't have gotten chance to use all of them, but at least some? surely? the odd chemical weapons missile?

That aside (please note this paragraph onwards is now my own speculation), it would seem highly suspicious to me if American forces were to start finding unused WMDs in bunkers in remote locations...

Ben:

Didn't you hear Baghdad Bob? They thought they were winning. I mean if Saddam listened to his advisors - he figured that he didn't need to waste 'em just yet...

Ara:
I thought I heard that Sarin was definitely identified on those warheads...

Wouldn't that be a WMD?

A thing to keep in mind is that chemical and bio-weapons are very difficult to use on the battlefield. Also, we employed what was probably the most effective and vast psychological operations in history, encouraging those in Iraq's armed forces not to use these weapons, or face criminal charges.

This also went much faster than anyone in Iraq probably believed possible.

It's still possible there are no such weapons, of course. But the fact that they remain unused is not a huge surprise, even if they do exist.

Also, BTW, we are finding missiles that Saddam was not supposed to have. And hidden research facilities.

We'll see what we see. For me, getting WMDs was always about 8th on the list of reasons to do this, so it's never been my focus. But I'll still be interested in the question.

There's a part of me--and, yes, what follows is pure speculation--that wonders if orders were issued allowing military leaders to use chem weapons under certain circumstances, but that those leaders never used the weapons.

I know I'm reaching, but follow along for a second.

From the taking of various bridges and oil wells, in specific, coalition forces found explosives that could have been detonated when coalition forces came around. The fact that they weren't is attributed, usually, to three things:

1) Surprise and stealth on the part of the coalition forces
2) Troops abandoning positions, and units, before the orders could be issued by their commanders
3) Commanders' reluctance to destroy these things and make a bad situation worse.

I think all of the above are possible in relation to chem weapons. The only thing that puts a (decidedly) large whole in my little theory is that we haven't conclusively found any of these weapons yet. Still, I think that we may find, after this war is over and we've interviewed opposition forces, that orders were being issued at the top to use chem weapons, but that those orders were not being carried out.

Just a thought. Feel free to bash holes in my theory.

It's not a bad theory at all. Like I said, we had a HUGE psyops campaign, the most extensive in history, against these guys. For WEEKS, officers at all levels of the Iraqi military were receiving phone calls and emails warning them that if they used weapons of mass destruction, they would face charges as war criminals. Leaflets were dropped all over the country saying the same things.

We know that just before Hitler went into the bunker to shoot himself, he ordered his generals to destroy Berlin. They, uh, didn't.

Of course, it's possible they weren't used because they didn't exist. Then again, we keep finding caches of illegal missiles that he didn't use, and we just found a major nuclear facility, so...

Well, we shall see what we shall see, but your theory is hardly a wild one. It may turn out to be wrong, but there's nothing hare-brained about it.

Rose:

The sarin tipped missiles, so far, have not been confirmed.

By the way, I heard Colin Powell pronounce the word "sarin" recently. He really did grow up in the Bronx, no question about it.

Why I can't take Janeane Garofalo seriously, regardless of her politics:

1) Any H'wood actress who had to stand on a box while making a film with Uma Thurman, is an entity to whom (or to which) I usually relate with a fly swatter.

2) I don't trust a spokesperson for any cause who has to consult a tatooo on her arm that says "THINK" just to remind herself to cogitate before opening her mouth with today's great thought.

3) I never have been able to relate to masochists, such as someone who would name her media company "I Hate Myself Productions".

Just so you don't think this is an aberration on my part, I've always thought Woody Allen is an asshole in his private life as well has his screen persona.

Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI

Arnold:

How about Albert Brooks?

Ara

He's not as cute as Garafalo...

Dean: "We'll see what we see. For me, getting WMDs was always about 8th on the list of reasons to do this, so it's never been my focus. But I'll still be interested in the question." What were the other seven, in descending order of importance, if you please. Mc

Oh Dear, where are those WMDs? 2 months down and none to be found, and those people in the streets aren't so happy with the US now. O'Reilly said he would apologize after one month if no WMDs were found, maybe thats a better question.

yeah what did happen with O' Reilley blasting Bush? didn't hold up his end of the bargain did he...

We still haven't found any WMDs, and we're losing more soldiers now than we did during the war.
Most of the Iraqis didn't greet us with smiles and hugs. As a matter of fact, many of them are killing our soldiers right now.
Do you still think she should apologize? The war didn't go as smoothly as Bill O'Reilly suggested. Why don't YOU apologize to Jeaneane? I think that you, and people like you, are the ones who refuse to admit when you are wrong.

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