It doesn't take much anymore to get me angry about what happened on 9/11.
Those of you that know me, know how I feel about the terrorists who attacked us that day. People who say the wrong thing (i.e., anything about moral equivalency) and...I'm liable to go ballistic.
Sorry.
But, god, when I see this picture (below)...or ones just like it...my throat tightens and my eyes just well up...and I don't know why.
Has anyone had that reaction? I wish I knew where that comes from....
I was in total shock watching the replay of the collapsing twin towers over one hundred times the week following 9/11. I finally got over my total disbelief by October 2002.
Now, I am just angry, very angry. I cannot think of any other way to deal with these terrorists other than to just kill them. We can in no way whatsoever reason with them. They will not listen. They believe they have the final answer: their religion is under attack from the west due to modernization and all that.
The only good thing in all this is that these fundamentalist radicals are a minority according to Daniel Pipes. He estimates their numbers to be about 70,000. This is out a Moslem population of one billion.
I say the Middle East is in crisis due to incompetent, corrupt governments. What we call corrupt is the every day way of conducting business over there. There is obviously a cultural rift between the two worlds. I call it envy that their culture was surpassed by the west three hundred years ago. The Arabs still cannot get over this.
Their answer is to attack us since they see us as the cause of their problems. They blame us and the Jews for everything.
The only way to deal with these people is to kill them. The more breathtakingly we do this the more effecitve we will be. Everybody likes a winner; and Arab loyalties shift so fluidly they will respect whichever side wins.
Tell me about being angry after nearly 2 years, well here we go..... Every day of my life since 9/11 I have dreamt and woke up thinking about it. Its not that I am a weird person or a drama queen, its the fact that someone could do this in front of us and that we can see so many people end their lives. I cannot put down in words how I feel even now and I don,t know first hand how it was apart from tv. Please someone tell me and help me through my journey of grief.
I'm feeling pretty detached about the whole thing. But the jumpers still get me. I've seen the planes hit and the towers fall over and over. But it's the jumpers that get me every time.
Yes. Angry. Angry and unwavering in my belief that we have to win this war. Not the war in Iraq, but the war against the the Islamic extremists. And every time I see pictures like these, I feel my resolve grow stronger.
What really gets to me is the photo Dean posted of the fireman's helmet; I recall reading recently of one family who just interred a vial of their son's blood (which he had donated to a local blood bank) because nothing else was ever found of him. Nothing. Think about it...
The man had literally been vaporized while trying to save other lives.
If you can, try to catch The Guys; it's based on a play of the same name, and it starts Anthony LaPaglia and Sigourney Weaver. You can see the preview at
http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/the_guys/
He literally probably was vapourized...but the fact that they didn't find any remains could easily be attributed to the fact that they had to cart away 8000 tons of wreckage...I mean they can't possibly look through it all, can they? Maybe they can, but yes he was vapourized...
The photo which convinced me that we have to go and kill them all - the photo which placed a pure, consuming fire for victory regardless of cost - was a picture of a woman who had jumped and was clearly covering her eyes with her hands...she didn't want to see how far she had left to fall.....
Anyone who can in any way justify anything but the most extreme measures is contemptible in my view....
rarely more than a day or two has gone by in my life during the past two years that i dont think about 9-11 or mention something about it in my day to day life. damn right i'm still angry!
"Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. The fiery trial through which we pass will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. . . .We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth."
-A. Lincoln
I too will never forget those images of the people that made that desperate choice. Images which should be engraved in the minds of all Americans.
Nothing that I have read captures this better than a poem by 14 year old Leda Rodis, titled "From the 104th Floor."
I just wanted to say that us Aussies know your pain, and by hell, we are gonna stick by you Americans till this war is over. And then hopefully for as long as humanly possible.
I am also still very, very angry. People who tell me to "get over it" do not seem to understand the depth of my feelings for this country. I have a stepson in Iraq right now because of 9-11-01 and I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGIVE, I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGET!!
I mean they can't possibly look through it all, can they?
They could. They did. Any peice that was large enough to be recognizeable as a bit of person was salvaged. Several hundred people were smashed into pieces smaller than that.
we are gonna stick by you Americans till this war is over. And then hopefully for as long as humanly possible.
The flag of Oz flys from my porch, along with the the flag of the United Kingdom and Old Glory. Brothers in arms...
Did you catch any of the CNN coverage when the kids read out all the names? At the end, when two trumpeters played "Taps," you could see a group of British policemen carrying the Star and Stripes side by side with the Union Jack...
Pournelle's website also carried, immediately after 9/11, some photos of a German warship whos sailors displayed placards showing their sympathy, including "We Stand By You." I'm sure the rank and file in their armed forces are with us.
Hey Dean,
I've been lurking around your blog for awhile. Just like to thank you for a fine job. As for you anger Dean, let it go. Know full well that the hand of cold justice is going hit these people. The nazis at Nuremburg come to mind. Truth and justice are extremely patient.
Best regards,
Ralph
Stupid zealots! What kind of people do they think we are! We will never rest till the perpetrators of this atrocity, and ALL that help them, are exterminated. We will send our soldiers anyplace you hide, and hunt you like the varmints you are.
We must never again sit idle while threats gather.
I am angry too...especially after sitting through a limpwristed homily at church about forgiveness and justice and how we need to not become like the terrorists and give more and not be so arrogant and think about our own evil before going after other evil...
Looking at these pictures has always been hard for me. Those people were forced by events to choose how they would die. It's not something anyone likes to contemplate.
A major reason Arabs have not hijacked any planes lately is because THE PEOPLE ON FLIGHT 93 FOUGHT BACK!
We must keep the image of these fighters always in our minds.
We must continue to fight in Iraq, in Iran, in Syria, in Lebanon, in Egypt and in every other place on earth where Americans are hated only because they are Americans.
As Casey said, "Revenge is a dish best tasted cold." The United States can do the following:
1) Break the back of this vile Saudi monarchy by freezing all their accounts in the United States, from which the United States will pay the costs of rebuilding the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, justly settling the claims of all the 3000 or so victim families, and a large part of the costs of the war on terrorism, which in reality is a war against all the Arabs collectively. Let that monarchy be replaced by an elected government of the people of the country as a whole.
2) Encourage the Israelis to expel the Arab population of Judea and Samaria across the Jordan river, which is only about 12-15 miles east of most of them. The Gaza Arabs can be similarly expelled to Jordan, or to Egypt, which is next door. This will permanently end the so-called Middle East crisis forever, and can be used as a collective retribution against the entire Arab world for daring to do to us what these bastards have done. In any case, there cannot and will not be any peace with the Arabs under any circumstances at all, so why subject the Israelis to another decade or century of suicide bombings? Since Jordan already is the defacto Palestinian state (2/3 of its population is from west of the Jordan river), dump their little red-faced English monarch and let them set up an authentic Palestine government in Amman.
3) Restrict entry to the United States on the part of any Arab or other moslem except for those who can pass a psychological screening test and background check to exclude wahabbist extremists. Any such people already here should be stripped of their temporary residency papers or even their citizenship and expelled. The policy of bringing these people here on student visas should be ended immediately; their are plenty of poor but loyal American kids locked in the ghettos of this country who could benefit by a higher education. So why not spend the money on a lot of our American blacks than on these ragheads from outside the US?
4) If the USA is to be compelled to pay the expense and bear the military burden of reforming Iraq into a modern state, cut the islamic imams out of the act entirely. Make sure the women there get rights equal to the men, that religious minorities have equal rights, that the Kurds really get to run their part of northern Iraq, and that all the civil liberties that we are working to put in place in that country will be enforced at the point of a gun, so that no Iraqi Taliban can ever come to power. Then set up some large US bases out in the desert close enough so we can control the oil fields in the northern part of the country and make sure the Brits do the same in the southern oil fields around Basra.
5) Make sure the Iranians do not develop the capacity for developing nuclear and thermonuclear weapons, so that it will not be necessary for the Israel Air Force to fly over there one night and blow their main nuclear reactor to smithereens, as they had to do with Saddam's Osirek reactor in 1981. In the meantime, do everything possible to destabilize their present government of the little ayatollahs, who now openly oppress everybody in the name of their apparently vile religious beliefs.
6) Start working immediately to convert our main vehicle fuel needs from petroleum to hydrogen, regardless of the inconvenience to western oil companies whose hands have been in the pockets of the Saudi anti-human state for many decades. Perchance the bastards will learn to behave if and when they are forced to revert to goat-herding and pearl diving in order to feed their multiple-wife families.
7) Assist any and all peoples around the world whose independence, civil liberties and domestic stability is threatened by islamic imperialism, from the Phillipines to central Africa, in Europe and in the Americas.
I am angry too. I visited our local firehouse this evening. They lost 8 firefighters on 9/11. There was a good sized gathering of people out there... most of them too emotional to say much. But they were there. They remember. And they are angry too...
I join in your anger. I have reflected throughout the day. Anger when shared with a common reason, as it is expressed here, just this blog alone. And then linking into others, I read this anger over and over.
It is our combination of anger, each one of us, that still feel that inside ourselves, is what moves us to do what is right as a nation.
You write....I AM ANGRY and no, I will not get over it. Not until the job is finished.
You are right, absolutely right Dean!
So many of us grieve for those lost. The pictures of the jumpers... the firemans hat...
I believe in America and her people...Anger, as in a slow amber will rise up into a full fledge fire.
We are behind and all around OUR AMERICA, and this human emotion called Anger, is as it should be. It drives us...forward...Onward into war.
We are doing it day by day...
While I might quibble with some of the details (for example, the Saudis actually are finally cracking down on terrorists, but they're keeping it quiet. Also, hydrogen may not be the way to go. But those are details...), I generally agree with you. Pull the troops out of South Korea, Japan, and Germany (as well as the Balkans) and use the savings to help pay for Iraq operations.
Better yet, since we are facing deficits anyway, spend real money on energy independance for America. It would certainly be less than the $87 billion requested a few days ago.
I am reminded of the movie The Princess Bride where the Clever Sicilian instructs Our Hero about the eternal verities, which (apparently) include "Never fight a land war in Asia," and "Never match wits with a Sicilian!"
He forgot to add: "and, Never piss off the Jacksonians..." 'Nuff said.
We need to be resolute. We need to be ready. We need to prepare for coming clashes. Our culture, our freedoms and our way of governing and worshipping are in great peril. You need to be ready to ask yourself, "Am I ready to make critical sacrifices"?
The people who were going about their daily business of an honourable and legal way of making a living died a horrific death. So publically and beyond the pale they died.
Dean thank you for posting the pictures of people chosing to jump instead of the anonymity of being burned with no witnesses. A statement of sheer terror, resolution and in a way a certain dignity of choosing the least evil of two very evil choices. In their terror they bravely chose a quicker way. May they rest in peace, and may GOD always hold their souls in the cup of HIS hand.
I'M not so upset that people are forgetting how horribly we, as a nation suffered. It is important to remember the tragedy. But even more important is the need to remember that we are still at war with the terrorist enemy. Though we are winning, they are not yet defeated, and THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO KILL US!!!
I see Bush's approval ratings dropping and Howard Dean's numbers rising and I hear that Americans are tired of their soldiers dying. My question to those Americans is: Does it appear that the Islamists are growing weary of waging jihad against us?
My anger comes in several parts. Of course I am angry at those evil people responsible for the criminal acts of 9/11. I am also very angry at those who have decided to take advantage of this tragedy for their own agenda. I have seen no credible evidence that the war on Iraq is directed against those responsible for 9/11. Nevertheless, this connection is essentially assumed by the current administration and the American public as a justification for the war. Did we fight Islamic fundamentalism in Iraq? No. Have we helped create the climate where Islamic fundamentalism is likely to flourish? Yes.
Never forget? From what I see, we have forgotten what really happened, and who the enemy is, already.
Yeah! it doesn't take much but when i remember what happened it get so mad, cause the had split one person from my family, My anutie, cause of them i have no anutie and her kid have no mom, my uncle has no wife, well i am so mad, at that, i was on the phone with her until the last second, well that made my cry,but i am so mad at that really really mad, well that what i have to say bye!
John
One of my friends told me about this site,
and I just want to add that, a lot of danes will stay behind The US and other coalition forces in the fight against terror.
And we will not forget 9/11 ever.
I find it very very disgusting that it is hard to find pictures of 9-11. Yes you can find the general pictures, like the planes but where are the pictures of the people dieing... the people takeing thier last breath.. should they be wiped out of site both in life and in image? I think we should all look at these pictures ( if you can find them) to just remember these people. Because when we forget them in image.. then all this is for not. I have served in our military and was in Operation Desert Storm, I want to know that what I faught for then is not just taken and thrown away. I am truly pissed at the way the "higher powers" have determined what is ok for us to see and what is not good for us to see... is this what our soldiers are fighting for?
Dean,
It doesn't take much anymore to get me angry about what happened on 9/11.
Those of you that know me, know how I feel about the terrorists who attacked us that day. People who say the wrong thing (i.e., anything about moral equivalency) and...I'm liable to go ballistic.
Sorry.
But, god, when I see this picture (below)...or ones just like it...my throat tightens and my eyes just well up...and I don't know why.
Has anyone had that reaction? I wish I knew where that comes from....
Dean,
I was in total shock watching the replay of the collapsing twin towers over one hundred times the week following 9/11. I finally got over my total disbelief by October 2002.
Now, I am just angry, very angry. I cannot think of any other way to deal with these terrorists other than to just kill them. We can in no way whatsoever reason with them. They will not listen. They believe they have the final answer: their religion is under attack from the west due to modernization and all that.
The only good thing in all this is that these fundamentalist radicals are a minority according to Daniel Pipes. He estimates their numbers to be about 70,000. This is out a Moslem population of one billion.
I say the Middle East is in crisis due to incompetent, corrupt governments. What we call corrupt is the every day way of conducting business over there. There is obviously a cultural rift between the two worlds. I call it envy that their culture was surpassed by the west three hundred years ago. The Arabs still cannot get over this.
Their answer is to attack us since they see us as the cause of their problems. They blame us and the Jews for everything.
The only way to deal with these people is to kill them. The more breathtakingly we do this the more effecitve we will be. Everybody likes a winner; and Arab loyalties shift so fluidly they will respect whichever side wins.
We must win this war. We have no other option.
Kevin Brehmer
I'm not angry. Not anymore.
I remember two sayings:
-revenge is a dish best served cold.
-only a damn fool fights in anger.
Tell me about being angry after nearly 2 years, well here we go..... Every day of my life since 9/11 I have dreamt and woke up thinking about it. Its not that I am a weird person or a drama queen, its the fact that someone could do this in front of us and that we can see so many people end their lives. I cannot put down in words how I feel even now and I don,t know first hand how it was apart from tv. Please someone tell me and help me through my journey of grief.
So am I, Dean.
i'm glad i'm not the only one holding onto the jump*rs.
I have nothing to add except, Dean, something's going bonkers with the date stamps of the comments...
No, it's cool, these are repostings of articles I did last year.
Forgiveness is a virtue....and I'll forgive, but I'll still want them dead....
I'm feeling pretty detached about the whole thing. But the jumpers still get me. I've seen the planes hit and the towers fall over and over. But it's the jumpers that get me every time.
The jumper pictures by themselves don't make me cry the way some things do, but they make me shudder with empathy, feeling myself in their place.
I'm glad to see people posting them. I thought the TV people were far too premature about choosing to avoid showing that particular aspect.
Yes. Angry. Angry and unwavering in my belief that we have to win this war. Not the war in Iraq, but the war against the the Islamic extremists. And every time I see pictures like these, I feel my resolve grow stronger.
Jay,
What really gets to me is the photo Dean posted of the fireman's helmet; I recall reading recently of one family who just interred a vial of their son's blood (which he had donated to a local blood bank) because nothing else was ever found of him. Nothing. Think about it...
The man had literally been vaporized while trying to save other lives.
If you can, try to catch The Guys; it's based on a play of the same name, and it starts Anthony LaPaglia and Sigourney Weaver. You can see the preview at
http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/the_guys/
He literally probably was vapourized...but the fact that they didn't find any remains could easily be attributed to the fact that they had to cart away 8000 tons of wreckage...I mean they can't possibly look through it all, can they? Maybe they can, but yes he was vapourized...
Jay,
The photo which convinced me that we have to go and kill them all - the photo which placed a pure, consuming fire for victory regardless of cost - was a picture of a woman who had jumped and was clearly covering her eyes with her hands...she didn't want to see how far she had left to fall.....
Anyone who can in any way justify anything but the most extreme measures is contemptible in my view....
rarely more than a day or two has gone by in my life during the past two years that i dont think about 9-11 or mention something about it in my day to day life. damn right i'm still angry!
"Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. The fiery trial through which we pass will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. . . .We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth."
-A. Lincoln
Dean,
I too will never forget those images of the people that made that desperate choice. Images which should be engraved in the minds of all Americans.
Nothing that I have read captures this better than a poem by 14 year old Leda Rodis, titled "From the 104th Floor."
I wont post it all here, but it is up on my site.
I just wanted to say that us Aussies know your pain, and by hell, we are gonna stick by you Americans till this war is over. And then hopefully for as long as humanly possible.
lest we forget...
And that's why I've always loved our Aussie friends.
I am also still very, very angry. People who tell me to "get over it" do not seem to understand the depth of my feelings for this country. I have a stepson in Iraq right now because of 9-11-01 and I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGIVE, I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGET!!
I mean they can't possibly look through it all, can they?
They could. They did. Any peice that was large enough to be recognizeable as a bit of person was salvaged. Several hundred people were smashed into pieces smaller than that.
we are gonna stick by you Americans till this war is over. And then hopefully for as long as humanly possible.
The flag of Oz flys from my porch, along with the the flag of the United Kingdom and Old Glory. Brothers in arms...
Gary,
Did you catch any of the CNN coverage when the kids read out all the names? At the end, when two trumpeters played "Taps," you could see a group of British policemen carrying the Star and Stripes side by side with the Union Jack...
Pournelle's website also carried, immediately after 9/11, some photos of a German warship whos sailors displayed placards showing their sympathy, including "We Stand By You." I'm sure the rank and file in their armed forces are with us.
No point in getting angry at a mad dog; you just put him down and do what you can to try to stem the disease.
May God bless our Aussie and British friends and those all around the world who wept and prayed for us on that terrible day.
Hey Dean,
I've been lurking around your blog for awhile. Just like to thank you for a fine job. As for you anger Dean, let it go. Know full well that the hand of cold justice is going hit these people. The nazis at Nuremburg come to mind. Truth and justice are extremely patient.
Best regards,
Ralph
Stupid zealots! What kind of people do they think we are! We will never rest till the perpetrators of this atrocity, and ALL that help them, are exterminated. We will send our soldiers anyplace you hide, and hunt you like the varmints you are.
We must never again sit idle while threats gather.
How can one look at those pictures and not cry?
I have no words. I am in tears. But I feel resolved, inside too. Angry. I am still angry too.
I am angry too...especially after sitting through a limpwristed homily at church about forgiveness and justice and how we need to not become like the terrorists and give more and not be so arrogant and think about our own evil before going after other evil...
*EXPLODE*
I am STILL angry, too!
Ditto.
And Sharon has just made me glad I didn't go to mass today, after all.
It is simply amazing how many Christian clerics cannot remember that before forgiveness must come repentance.
See also this.
Looking at these pictures has always been hard for me. Those people were forced by events to choose how they would die. It's not something anyone likes to contemplate.
My comment should have read:
"...forced by events to choose how they would die with neither option making a difference except to themselves.
Obviously, the impromptu Flight 93 militia also chose how they would die, and what they chose has made a difference to all of us.
A major reason Arabs have not hijacked any planes lately is because THE PEOPLE ON FLIGHT 93 FOUGHT BACK!
We must keep the image of these fighters always in our minds.
We must continue to fight in Iraq, in Iran, in Syria, in Lebanon, in Egypt and in every other place on earth where Americans are hated only because they are Americans.
God bless the U.S.A.
And yeah, I'm still angry.
As Casey said, "Revenge is a dish best tasted cold." The United States can do the following:
1) Break the back of this vile Saudi monarchy by freezing all their accounts in the United States, from which the United States will pay the costs of rebuilding the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, justly settling the claims of all the 3000 or so victim families, and a large part of the costs of the war on terrorism, which in reality is a war against all the Arabs collectively. Let that monarchy be replaced by an elected government of the people of the country as a whole.
2) Encourage the Israelis to expel the Arab population of Judea and Samaria across the Jordan river, which is only about 12-15 miles east of most of them. The Gaza Arabs can be similarly expelled to Jordan, or to Egypt, which is next door. This will permanently end the so-called Middle East crisis forever, and can be used as a collective retribution against the entire Arab world for daring to do to us what these bastards have done. In any case, there cannot and will not be any peace with the Arabs under any circumstances at all, so why subject the Israelis to another decade or century of suicide bombings? Since Jordan already is the defacto Palestinian state (2/3 of its population is from west of the Jordan river), dump their little red-faced English monarch and let them set up an authentic Palestine government in Amman.
3) Restrict entry to the United States on the part of any Arab or other moslem except for those who can pass a psychological screening test and background check to exclude wahabbist extremists. Any such people already here should be stripped of their temporary residency papers or even their citizenship and expelled. The policy of bringing these people here on student visas should be ended immediately; their are plenty of poor but loyal American kids locked in the ghettos of this country who could benefit by a higher education. So why not spend the money on a lot of our American blacks than on these ragheads from outside the US?
4) If the USA is to be compelled to pay the expense and bear the military burden of reforming Iraq into a modern state, cut the islamic imams out of the act entirely. Make sure the women there get rights equal to the men, that religious minorities have equal rights, that the Kurds really get to run their part of northern Iraq, and that all the civil liberties that we are working to put in place in that country will be enforced at the point of a gun, so that no Iraqi Taliban can ever come to power. Then set up some large US bases out in the desert close enough so we can control the oil fields in the northern part of the country and make sure the Brits do the same in the southern oil fields around Basra.
5) Make sure the Iranians do not develop the capacity for developing nuclear and thermonuclear weapons, so that it will not be necessary for the Israel Air Force to fly over there one night and blow their main nuclear reactor to smithereens, as they had to do with Saddam's Osirek reactor in 1981. In the meantime, do everything possible to destabilize their present government of the little ayatollahs, who now openly oppress everybody in the name of their apparently vile religious beliefs.
6) Start working immediately to convert our main vehicle fuel needs from petroleum to hydrogen, regardless of the inconvenience to western oil companies whose hands have been in the pockets of the Saudi anti-human state for many decades. Perchance the bastards will learn to behave if and when they are forced to revert to goat-herding and pearl diving in order to feed their multiple-wife families.
7) Assist any and all peoples around the world whose independence, civil liberties and domestic stability is threatened by islamic imperialism, from the Phillipines to central Africa, in Europe and in the Americas.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Dean:
I am angry too. I visited our local firehouse this evening. They lost 8 firefighters on 9/11. There was a good sized gathering of people out there... most of them too emotional to say much. But they were there. They remember. And they are angry too...
Whilst I don't agree with you all the way Arnold, its bloody good to hear your opinion again!
I join in your anger. I have reflected throughout the day. Anger when shared with a common reason, as it is expressed here, just this blog alone. And then linking into others, I read this anger over and over.
It is our combination of anger, each one of us, that still feel that inside ourselves, is what moves us to do what is right as a nation.
You write....I AM ANGRY and no, I will not get over it. Not until the job is finished.
You are right, absolutely right Dean!
So many of us grieve for those lost. The pictures of the jumpers... the firemans hat...
I believe in America and her people...Anger, as in a slow amber will rise up into a full fledge fire.
We are behind and all around OUR AMERICA, and this human emotion called Anger, is as it should be. It drives us...forward...Onward into war.
We are doing it day by day...
Arnold,
While I might quibble with some of the details (for example, the Saudis actually are finally cracking down on terrorists, but they're keeping it quiet. Also, hydrogen may not be the way to go. But those are details...), I generally agree with you. Pull the troops out of South Korea, Japan, and Germany (as well as the Balkans) and use the savings to help pay for Iraq operations.
Better yet, since we are facing deficits anyway, spend real money on energy independance for America. It would certainly be less than the $87 billion requested a few days ago.
I am reminded of the movie The Princess Bride where the Clever Sicilian instructs Our Hero about the eternal verities, which (apparently) include "Never fight a land war in Asia," and "Never match wits with a Sicilian!"
He forgot to add: "and, Never piss off the Jacksonians..." 'Nuff said.
Thank you, Dean. Yes. Never forget. Never forgive. NEVER AGAIN.
We need to be resolute. We need to be ready. We need to prepare for coming clashes. Our culture, our freedoms and our way of governing and worshipping are in great peril. You need to be ready to ask yourself, "Am I ready to make critical sacrifices"?
The people who were going about their daily business of an honourable and legal way of making a living died a horrific death. So publically and beyond the pale they died.
Dean thank you for posting the pictures of people chosing to jump instead of the anonymity of being burned with no witnesses. A statement of sheer terror, resolution and in a way a certain dignity of choosing the least evil of two very evil choices. In their terror they bravely chose a quicker way. May they rest in peace, and may GOD always hold their souls in the cup of HIS hand.
I'M not so upset that people are forgetting how horribly we, as a nation suffered. It is important to remember the tragedy. But even more important is the need to remember that we are still at war with the terrorist enemy. Though we are winning, they are not yet defeated, and THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO KILL US!!!
I see Bush's approval ratings dropping and Howard Dean's numbers rising and I hear that Americans are tired of their soldiers dying. My question to those Americans is: Does it appear that the Islamists are growing weary of waging jihad against us?
doug:
Keep the faith, bro. Look at America's history. Our citizens are willing to endure a long war, as long as visible progress exists.
The other potential pitfall would be end-of-war conditions; when Americans decide the war is over, they want the troops home, now.
My anger comes in several parts. Of course I am angry at those evil people responsible for the criminal acts of 9/11. I am also very angry at those who have decided to take advantage of this tragedy for their own agenda. I have seen no credible evidence that the war on Iraq is directed against those responsible for 9/11. Nevertheless, this connection is essentially assumed by the current administration and the American public as a justification for the war. Did we fight Islamic fundamentalism in Iraq? No. Have we helped create the climate where Islamic fundamentalism is likely to flourish? Yes.
Never forget? From what I see, we have forgotten what really happened, and who the enemy is, already.
" I cannot think of any other way to deal with these terrorists other than to just kill them."
Aren't they.. sort of dead already?
"How can one look at those pictures and not cry?"
I get the same feeling looking at old black and white pictures of children burned beyond recognition from the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
"I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGIVE, I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGET!!"
Oh god.. that means you'll never shut up either..
Yeah! it doesn't take much but when i remember what happened it get so mad, cause the had split one person from my family, My anutie, cause of them i have no anutie and her kid have no mom, my uncle has no wife, well i am so mad, at that, i was on the phone with her until the last second, well that made my cry,but i am so mad at that really really mad, well that what i have to say bye!
John
Hi everyone
One of my friends told me about this site,
and I just want to add that, a lot of danes will stay behind The US and other coalition forces in the fight against terror.
And we will not forget 9/11 ever.
Keep the spirit high.
Martin from Denmark
I find it very very disgusting that it is hard to find pictures of 9-11. Yes you can find the general pictures, like the planes but where are the pictures of the people dieing... the people takeing thier last breath.. should they be wiped out of site both in life and in image? I think we should all look at these pictures ( if you can find them) to just remember these people. Because when we forget them in image.. then all this is for not. I have served in our military and was in Operation Desert Storm, I want to know that what I faught for then is not just taken and thrown away. I am truly pissed at the way the "higher powers" have determined what is ok for us to see and what is not good for us to see... is this what our soldiers are fighting for?